The root cause problem for the rise of AFK BG groups is that the old game has an incentive structure which encourages that behavior from the 2021 min-maxing player base.
This is a new product / design issue in regards to product-market fit. Until Blizzard realizes that TBC Classic cannot be a pure engineering data migration effort and needs tweaking in terms of effort and rewards, we’re doomed to see opportunist behavior and reactionary punishments that are temporary solutions.
Non participation in bgs has always been banable. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
No kidding.
The mental gymnastics are something else.
Enjoy missing day 1 of TBC fools.
One thing to note is that banning alliance (who are the main offenders of AFK BG groups) adversely affects horde players. I really don’t want to wait 30+ minutes to play a BG.
I get that it’s going to make your queue longer, but what else should they do? It would be even worse to not give anything if your team doesn’t win. That would probably lead to even less people queueing up.
What do you think they should do?
I really dont see why they would ban afk premades. Real premades “sac” all the time. Is that bannable? I get afking when people are trying but if you have a 10 man sac’ing or afking, thats pretty dumb.
If you AFK in BG, you deserve the temp ban. Some of us are actually competitive and want to play, not carry dead weight that just wants the honor
You wont carry anything in AFK BG groups cause its a 10/15 man premade. Thats the point. Don’t hinder others, fast marks.
You were the one AFKing in BGs not Blizzard lol. Stop ruining the game for other people.
No one is getting banned for losing premades. You will only get banned for using automation to avoid being flagged as AFK.
Not true at all but ok. People get temp bans for non participation all the time, seen several, cant pretend they don’t exist.
I keep telling people this.
Just because some weeb posted a screenshot of his temp ban with zero context of what he was doing, doesn’t mean theres MasSS baANs going out.
The culture of fake news spreading like wildfire is absolutely crazy.
Literally nobody is getting banned for this, but keep scaring people, it might dissuade some.
the problem is that it’s a fine-line between PvP non-participation and ‘throwing a game’. What if all the AFK BG premades just ran to Stables, didn’t cap the flag, and farmed honor. Is that still PvP non-participation?
Just report anyone you dont think is doing a good job and insta ban them, duh.
Report all boosties, report all greenies and report all baddies.
Daddy Blizzard will ban them because you don’t think they’re contributing, obviously.
It’s not like we have other automated banning systems that are abused-- oh wait…
It is true. Believe me, I wish it wasn’t true because of how many AFKers I get in my Arathi Basin games. No one gets banned for “non-participation.”
There’s no such thing as PvP non-participation. You cannot possibly qualify what “participating” means.
If I queue for Warsong and only fight on the sidelines of the map, I’m not playing to win. By many uninformed (or lying) people’s standards, I’d get banned for not participating. However, because I’m not AFK and I’m not botting or using an auto clicker to avoid going AFK, I WILL NOT GET BANNED.
This is a hard question and I think emphasizes the need for product managers and game designers. If I were to bet money, Blizzard probably did not allocate much budget on TBC Classic or any Classic Games in general but the harsh reality is that the player base evolves over time and old games also need to be tweaked to be effective.
I’ve only done a handful of BG since the patch, especially AV which was my favourite.AV has turned into a god awful pve zerg race.So my thoughts if people cant hack actually playing the 5-10 mins of a Bg then dont queue
Honestly, for me this makes the BG not even fun to the point where I want to afk it. PvE races should not be the way to go.
That’s literally the win condition of the BG. Always has been.
With the TBC changes, you can actually PvP to win (via reinforcements), so it’s funny to me that NOW you think it’s a PvE zerg race when this is the only time AV could actually be won with PvP.
Players are idiots if they AFK; you get WAY more honor per hr turtling AV and farming HK’s than you do for doing the silly objectives.
You tools AFK’n PvP deserve bans if you get banned because you’re trying to exploit the system.
So not only is your AFK META wrong, it’s mostly from my perspective an excuse to Bot in PvP.