Do you want to treat symptoms or the disease?

[Slicy-anathema]

@Ianarian-grobbulus

Disabling world buffs in raids is about the health of the game.

The health of your game

Be a big boy and make your own choices

@Ianarian-grobbulus

The #1 complaint about classic is “content is too easy”.

Yeah? wheres the list?

[Bodicca-westfall]

@Ianarian-grobbulus

In vanilla no one stacked them for raids and they were just a fun bonus. Why would the devs comment on something that no one was thinking about in vanilla?

It’s only now in 2020 that people are breaking the game with them.

It’s pretty telling that when people actually started to stack them they were immediately disabled.

Your first comment is untrue. There were raids that did stack buffs in Vanilla. The idea that gosh, no one had any idea you could DO THAT is ludicrous.

The game isn’t broken because of buffs. Entire raids on PvP servers down content just fine without them due to dying to the other faction or dispels. There’s also the occasional “oops” and the raid wipes. Guilds shake it off and finish the instance just fine. The world doesn’t stop.

The “intent” of TBC raids is irrelevant. Now unless you have a quote from a Vanilla dev about the intent of world buffs in Vanilla, then you don’t actually know what their intent was.

[Ianarian-grobbulus]

Raids stacking buffs in vanilla were a vanishingly small minority, look at any vanilla video of Naxxramas or Ahn’qiraj.

I don’t know why you’re talking about content being doable without buffs. Of
course it is, it’s designed that way.

The intent is obvious, you’re being intentionally obtuse. But we’re never going to agree on this.

[Slicy-anathema]

@Ianarian-grobbulus

Raids stacking buffs in vanilla were a vanishingly small minority,

So they were a thing? huh

Can i get that list yet? Or are all your claims made up?

[Clefairy-kirtonos]

@Ianarian-grobbulus

The moment people started stacking world buffs for raids (TBC 2.0) they were disabled the next patch. The buffs were intended as a fun bonus you occasionally got.

Yes, vanilla world buffs were disabled for the new content in the next xpac. That’s not the same as disabling them during vanilla, which they did not. The world first KT was even done using world buffs, and it stood. If you don’t like them, then don’t use them.

[Bodicca-westfall]

@Ianarian-grobbulus

The intent is obvious, you’re being intentionally obtuse. But we’re never going to agree on this.

This is 100% projection on your part.

[Youtube-kurinnaxx]

Most guilds grabbed buffs on DPS checks, not the other fights. Popular bosses to grab world buffs were KT, grobb, patchwork, princess huhuron, and maybe 1 or 2 more. Guilds would LEAVE NAXX, aq, to go drop a head/heart/DMT buffs

[Vivenmort-arugal]

I felt it was timely to make a second post after the original, considering the recent hotfix. Just another change made to the game to facilitate world buffs, and almost certainly not the last. Blizzard can’t help but double down on this terrible mechanic.

@Lease-sulfuras

He isn’t saying dispelling is a bannable offense, but that the fact this is a talking point at all speaks volumes about how unhealthy world buffs have proven to be.

Precisely.

@Kunou-ragnaros

Nobody is forcing you to get them. Go raid without them and save some time. I don’t understand.

This isn’t a single player game. No pro-athlete is forced to take steroids, but we nonetheless see such scandals because they feel pressured to for the benefit of contributing to their team and competing with others. Nobody is forced to get world buffs, it’s all soft-power and influence. It drives performance, it drives loot decisions, it drives guild recruitment, and it’s most effective at driving idiots who believe themselves “free” of that soft-power.

[Joyson-sulfuras]

@Lease-sulfuras

Every good private server disabled world buffs within raids.

wuuuuut? i never got past lvl 34 in private servers but wuuuuuut? thats mega dumb. ultra dumb even.

[Baridorielor-malfurion (Baridorielor)]

@Vivenmort-arugal

We got a blue post regarding dispelling being a bannable offense,

Link?
Never mind, voldermort sugercane did.

@Voidarcane-whisperwind

The Blue Post

@Vivenmort-arugal

a blue post regarding CC griefing Dragonslayer NPC’s

Link?

@Vivenmort-arugal

and a blue post regarding MCing and killing the Dragonslayer NPC’s to reset the buff cooldowns.

…Please?

[Kunou-ragnaros]

@Vivenmort-arugal

This isn’t a single player game. No pro-athlete is forced to take steroids, but we nonetheless see such scandals because they feel pressured to for the benefit of contributing to their team and competing with others.

Competing for what exactly? Parses lul? The most tryhard guild probably gets the same amount of loot as the most casual guild…

@Vivenmort-arugal

Nobody is forced to get world buffs, it’s all soft-power and influence. It drives performance, it drives loot decisions, it drives guild recruitment, and it’s most effective at driving idiots who believe themselves “free” of that soft-power.

Then it’s time to change the rules of your guild or leave and find a better one? Or just make your own or join pugs? Stop playing the victim here… this is a player created problem not Blizzard.

Again, nobody is forcing you to play like this. The content is designed to be cleared without wbuffs…

#nochanges

[Vivenmort-arugal]

@Baridorielor-malfurion

Link?

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