One person saying it’s not true that you can easily join a group with a similar mindset is proving me wrong? The fact that all these so called meta players are finding groups, quite easily mind you, is definitive proof that finding a group of players that share the same mindset as you is easy and possible.
My forum post history proves I was never anti RDF, by the way. If you can’t easily find a group then I can only assume you may be the problem.
Not my fault you can’t follow the logic of a conversation.
You really can’t ‘easily’ find a group. If it was ‘easy’ to find a group people wouldn’t complain about it right?
RDF is the solution to the problem, hence why I mention it.
It’s not just one person though is it. I mean for how long have we seen posts asking for RDF on the forums? Various reasons given, gatekeeping is one of them.
I don’t struggle finding groups for current content but I do struggle for older content. Especially if it’s not server prime time, I could spend close to an hour spamming Trade chat and LFG “LF TANK SM”
I agree, instead of helping each other level and being kind to noobs, we speedrun content while the people left behind quit and then the meta players complain of ‘there’s nothing to do in the game, why is the game so dead’
Huge difference in a video game and poverty. Its shameful to act like they are the same.
I agreed that there is a difference between those two topics, but constantly remind you that the mindset of ‘if it doesn’t affect me it’s no big dead’ is prevalent in both of those topics.
Nowhere close to the same mindset
Only in a fictional world where you thnk everyone behind the keyboard hates u.
Uh yeah it is, it’s the selfish mindset that selfish people fail to recognize within themselves.
Rich people don’t care about the poor just like how fully geared people don’t care about the non geared.
Now ur changing it from the que to gear.
Oh wait lemme fix that for you, apologies I’m having several conversations at once while also trying to do stuff in game.
Rich people don’t care about the poor just like people who don’t have queues don’t care about the people who do.
Are you really comparing dungeon groups to racial discrimination?
and someone even thought it was a smart comparison?
nope, it requires more than just singular exclusion.
people keep using the phrase in different ways to suit whatever thing they are complaining about.
that’s the opposite. but okay sure.
You seem to have some personal issues that you are bringing to these forums.
Well I find that showing examples of similar events helps some people understand the issue at hand but see that some people regardless of what example is given fail to understand the importance of the topic at hand.
then try choosing some similar events. even your examples have wildly different criteria.
lol. ok then.
In the car example, even though the person had everything ready to actually get a car they were denied because of ‘reasons’
In the group example, even though the player is ready for the dungeon they were denied because of ‘reasons’
I can’t make it any more simpler than that…
I am not comparing racial inequality to gatekeeping. I am not comparing the poor to people who are stuck in queue. You guys are doing that. Those are just examples with similar inputs and outputs.
All I’m comparing is the input to the output and how similar they are to each other. In that sense yeah I’m comparing the situations but not to each other. The comparison is how the mindset is the same.
gatekeeping is an essential aspect of classic wow, it is about not bringing people who cant carry their own weight in the context of a given run and it is very important that rdf stays out of the game for this reason. If you’re not able to get in a group without the assistance of an automated tool there is no reason you hould be able to partake in group activities in a mmorpg.
if the run is ‘‘chain speed run nexus’’ then dont try to get in it wearing full greens. This is perfectly fine. If the run is ‘‘chain running nexus with guildies’’ then bring your rat character in greens and that is also fine.
Quote of the century, showing how selfish people can be.
It’s a normal dungeon lol which is already so easy people solo them. Like I said, gatekeeping at arena and raid level is okay because the content there is actually hard and not everyone can do but not at dungeon level which is really easy and anyone can do (and is even designed to be easy and done by anyone)
Even if RDF was in game, you could still make your own groups. Go ahead and do that.
Using that same logic, if you are unable to form a group outside of RDF maybe you shouldn’t partake in group activities.
“purchase this car” provide a thing for currency. this is just an exchange.
“even though you have good credit” A points system tracked by an outside source. essentially just a
"a down payment and a stable job’ These are probably the most important factors in the exchange.
“because of your skin/gender/sexual orientation” This is the your example reasoning. non related to the previous determining factors.
“run this dungeon with us” this is not simply and exchange. this is pulling resources together for a collective goal. its a very different situation.
“even though you are proper level” this seems like a minimum bar, like the person is able to physically zone in. would be like checking to see if the person buying the car is at least of legal driving age.
“have some gear and know your class” Half of this is just imagination land, you in no way are looking at random people to bring into a group, and able to determine if they know their class. And then the first half contradicts your next statement.
“have some gear” " because your gear is not good enough."
And gear not being good enough is a perfectly fair reason for not bringing someone into a group. If you have a goal, you bring in like minded people with ideally like minded skillset (in this case gear would = skillset for the comparison).
its that persons group, and gear generally reflects performance, and performance is a perfectly reasonable determining factor for an invite.
Either way gatekeeping is really just an aweful argument for adding rdf, which seems to be what the majority of people claiming gatekeeping want.
rdf doesn’t even change the aspect of the game “gatekeeping” is even happens on. even with rdf, people can still make their own groups, and if rdf works well for people to “solve” this particular problem, then there clearly were not as many people “gatekeeping” as some are claiming.
wtf are you on about lmao.
literally what i said
context of the run. Why is it hard to understand that ‘‘yolo green nexus run’’ is different from ‘‘tbc just ended lets plow through new content in full tbc BIS nexus run’’
i cant even understand what you are trying to say lmao did you read somethign else and reply to my post by accident?
people have a right? so your right to choose supercedes my right to choose? so your right to choose to not use rdf isnt a valid argument because then you dont get to choose to gatekeep folks, and because you chose to rid yourself of rdf, you infringed on my right to choose to use it. so now, captain elitist, you are not only saying your character is superior to mine to the point you dont want to ever run with me… now youre saying as a human being your so superior that your right to choose supercedes everyone elses rights. gotcha. figured it was elitist garbage from the jump.
Lol you actually took the time to pick it apart but unfortunately it’s not about the specific detail of the example, yet again I’m pointing out to how the MINDSET is the problem and I’m comparing the MINDSET of the people in those situations.
Let me say that again, I am comparing the MINDSET of people in situations, not the situations themselves.
The car is a good example because:
(and here is where I actually compare the situations unlike before where I was just giving the first example that popped in my mind of people having the wrong MINDSET and excluding them from things they should not be excluded from)
Being of proper level is like having credit, it took time to level just like it took time to get credit. If you get to lvl 70 you have better ‘credit’ than players who only got to lvl 30.
Having gear is like having a down payment because you have something you can offer, in a dungeon that is damage, heals or being tanky which you otherwise cannot without gear
Your gear not being good enough even though you are right level, have okay gear etc… that MINDSET of ‘you’re not good enough’ is similar to the MINDSET of other situations like buying a car where a person can get denied for ‘reasons’ even if they have everything they would need for a car.
RDF would solve gatekeeping somewhat, they would have a better chance of being put together in a group with players from other servers reducing the chance of gatekeeping happening. It will still happen of course, like you said people can just make their own groups. Good for them, RDF is not stopping that.