Blizzard Who Hurt You? - Soar Nerf

[Shillea-azshara]

Where was the imbalance? It was just a fun racial that lets you glide. It wasn’t doing anyone harm

[Milkdatbow-wyrmrest-accord]

Oh yeah, man. Because the ability to fly without being able to stop or you enter a 5 MINUTE LONG COOLDOWN, is so overpowering. Especially in older content, you know, which at level 60, ANY OTHER RACE OR CLASS can absolutely destroy because chromie time is disabled. Unless, of course, it’s Shadowlands. Which you’re not going to be able to fly in anyway without getting a whistle. You’re like Pinky from Pinky and the Brain: NERF! If only you and Blizzard could be the Brain, we might not have to deal with really nonsensical comments on nonsensical design choices.

[Titantrainer-frostmourne]

Reason why the Blizzard 30% Soar nerf makes no sense in there argument!

@Viperzz-frostmourne

Has anyone even given a good reason Soaring really fast is OP and broken other than “because my class can’t” or “because it is” I’m not sure how traversing the old world and fast speeds is a problem at all. Even if blizz puts new content in the old world, why does it matter if they can get a quest done faster? There is no bonus for completion time…

Chromie Time

• chromie time makes 0 sense since they wont be able to do it as Dracthyr they will hit 60 before they leave the starting zone meaning no chromie time. Its just another dumb decision chromie time past 60 is 100% trivial.

Trivial Content

• old content world bosses matter? there is many phases/shardings they are almost 100% up at all times

World PVP

• world pvp still an irrelevant excuse theres many other classes/race with mobility/abilities to escape and jump on there flying mount?

Some people have argued that neto-matic is to solve that but don’t forget it has a cooldown/cast time so does Soar!

and isnt there a mount equipment item to stop that?

soar cant be used in pvp lol or combat its only a glide and you have to use it from high peaked places to even gain mobility

not to mention You don’t get 900% speed using Soar immediately, and it is a 5min CD

soar can only be used once every 5min and fly on one continent

someone on a steady 310% speed mount or taking portals “theres more portal than just mages portals” or any other way of transportation can catch up in that time very easily which i feel make’s the argument irrelevant

Forms of better transportaion?

• to talk about mage portals and other transportation

Mages portals with no CD have fixed locations but the locations are main points of interest. If you are in lets say Ravendreth and you have cooldown on hearthstone and you want to go to Oribos, it takes like 5 minutes to fly there. If you are not a mage it takes like 5 minutes to find a mage to port you there.

as a mage you can farm almost any old content raid or dungeon faster then Dracthyr. You want to farm Onyxia? Port to Theramore. You want to do legion raids? Teleport to order hall and you have portal to every Legion zone. Northrend raids? Teleport to Dalaran. What can Drakthyr do? Hearthstone to stormwind fly to mage district tower teleport to dalaran. By the time the dracthyr is in Dalaran the mage is already in the raid.

930% speed is perfect for dracthyr if it is slower it does not feel as good. If it would be any higher it would be hard to control, or some old PCs would not render objects and textures fast enough.

• demon hunters can glide in raids and dungeons it does not matter how fast what matters is they can do it while others cannot.
• Dracthyr can fly at 930% speed but only once per 5 minutes. The speed of Dracthyr is balanced by the long cooldown.
• Druids can pick herb while mounted, it is instant cast and it does not have 5 minute cooldown.

Its not like Dracthyr can’t gather using soar like druids can they have to land and get out of soar mode wich has a 5min cd

You can’t effectively stay in the air or gather herbs when dragon riding.

• you can hit auto run and afk on a normal mount.
• worgens and druids could mount in the maw and no one else could and blizz basically said deal with it? And that was a current content Advantage not a old world/trivial content,
• Shamans, get a unique transportation ability, as well! A permanent sprint, usable in combat and indoors, and a second hearth! To anywhere they want!

It’s almost like different classes and races can’t have different perks!

• This is a unique new race/class combo added to the game

The argument that Soar is a “racial” ability and is overpowered compared to other racial abilities fails in my opinion. This is because Dracthyr and Evokers are mutually exclusive. You can essentially consider every Evoker class ability a racial ability and every Dracthyr racial ability a class ability.

And in trying you argue other wise, youd have to consider taking all of the dracthyr racials out of the evokers talent tree’s

Why can’t we keep a unique philosophy feel for each class/race?

Exactly what blizzard was stating that they wanted to bring back to the game

But as soon as they do people whine aww my class doesn’t have that?

Pick your poison!

• Not to mention the nerf was only for trivial content. So how much of an advantage does it really give, in the grand scheme of things?

You don’t get 900% speed using Soar immediately! soar is on a 5min CD

• to gain great distance you need to be up/at a high peak to even reach such a greater speed lol and have to be far too attentive with it to even stay aloft, nobody has any idea yet until they try it for themselves just how actually difficult it can be to keep flying. and doesn’t have any of the recharge abilities the dragon riding has

P.S. why would you ever want to use Soar over Dragon Riding in Dragon isles

people would love the trivial option to use Soar over dragon riding once in a while on a 5min cd

as a dragon Race with wings

Dragons riding Dragons? makes no sense? Lol

why should it of been nerfed in Dragon isles? let alone old content thats not relevant?

there are many ways of transportation to get around all of old content this is only some of them

• mage portals + city portals + engineering portals, neche portal rings/cloaks
• mole machine for dwarf’s, double hearth camp for vulpera
• Dungeouns Portals and there also adding in raid portals in wow shaodwlands season 4?

Not to mention thats worldwide and not restricted by Continents/zones

Guys don’t forget, YOU CAN’T fly with Soar, it’s just a very fast Glide 2.0 on a ridiculously long CD

Not to mention that its only usable in open world nothing else.

This is a unique new race/class combo added to the game

look how many people think its a transport mechanic or a full replacer for Dragonriding and flying.

Its just a flavor racial that lets you move a short distance very very quickly.

I know. Uniqueness stinks! Get it out of this game.

Nobody is going to switch to Dracthyr for the convience of traveling in old world zones. Dracthyr literally cant be any race but evoker, cant use mogs, and soar is inferior to dragonriding in every way.

A really good anology i seen someone say earlier Picture this,

You’re watching NASCAR, and the racers are zooming around at 200mph or some crazy speed, you can hear the roaring engines, you can see the safety fence shaking from the air displacement as the cars rush by at top speed.

That’s pretty fun. That’s exciting.

The next race, though, they decide that 200mph is too fast, so they limit racers to going 60 mph, which is the speed limit for a lot of ordinary daily drivers on the highway.

It’s still a cool car, it’s still a race, but it’s going a lot slower.

Do you really think it’s going to be as exciting as it was before? It doesn’t matter if you’ve ‘experienced it’ or not. You must know, on some implicit level, that reducing the speed of a race car is going to make that race car less fun to drive.

Who cares? It’s flying from A to B, If changing it back is such a major problem

• (Solution1) “If it’s too damn powerful” then let people use their dragonriding in Azeroth.
• (Solution2) change it back in Dragon islands where there is so called no advantage and give a buff in old trival content outside Dragon islands “un formiliar skies” and reduced the speed only outside Dragon islands for trivial content if it really matters that much.

There’s certainly no “auto-walk” with Soar, that’s for sure.

Why kill the HYPE /or Philosophy that’s been going so strong for Dragonflight!

I hope that this is not going to be another feature that takes them an entire expansion to realize that folks just wanna have fun with it.

Light forbid let people just have some good fun with blizzards new damn system.

In refer to

@Feedback: Dragonriding

Greetings Dragonriders and Dracthyr!

With the next alpha build, we’re making a change to Soar for Dracthyr that reduces their maximum speed from (roughly) 930% to 640%. The maximum speed for Dragon Isles Drakes is unchanged. This only applies to the Dracthyr Soar racial ability.

In the Dragon Isles, all characters of all races are on similar footing in regards to their ability to traverse the terrain because everyone can summon a Dragon Isles Drake. However, this isn’t the case in other areas of the game where flying mounts are the mainstay of travel. In Eastern Kingdoms, Soar is currently over twice as fast as Epic Flying which travels at 410% speed. The result is that Dracthyr have a drastic efficiency advantage over characters of other races when doing non-Dragon Isles content, whether that’s Chromie Time quests, clearing old raids for transmog, pet battling, etc.

Soar is important to the identity of Dracthyr. From the outset of the design process we knew that Dracthyr had to be able to fly in some form, even if we didn’t know the specifics until later. But, Soar is also a Racial ability, and was never intended to be a massive efficiency or performance improvement over other races. These two goals are somewhat in conflict: Make Soar fun and fulfill the fantasy of being a flying creature, but don’t give one race an outsized advantage across large swathes of the game.

What we’ve found while playtesting these changes internally is that the speed change didn’t diminish the fun of the locomotion mechanics. The engaging control system, gameplay of conserving momentum, and challenge of navigating obstacles, are all still present, while also rewarding skillful use of Soar with being able to travel faster than Epic flying mounts. This hits both of the goals nicely – Dracthyr can engage in the dynamic, immersive locomotion of dragonriding, but aren’t able to blitz across a continent in half the time as other characters.

The Alpha period is time for experimentation, testing, and learning, and that often leads to change. Due to Soar being an evergreen feature of the Dracthyr race, we feel that reducing the top speed is necessary for the long-term health of the game. Thank you for your passion, feedback, and understanding. See you in Azeroth!

[Meowkitty-wyrmrest-accord]

Just make it 10min cd or 15 but leave the speed alone.

[Rownen-tichondrius (Rownen)]

But you got mage portals.

[Elysele-pagle]

@Autai-moon-guard

I do not want to wait an entire expansion for them to figure it out.

So much this

[Elysele-pagle]

@Meowkitty-wyrmrest-accord

Just make it 10min cd or 15 but leave the speed alone.

HECK NO

NO NO NO NO

NO

Please delete your suggestion this moment. 5 minute cooldown is already RIDICULOUS.

[Féyrre-wyrmrest-accord]

I know that their reasoning behind it was that it’s too OP compared to other classes that were forced to dragonride, but there’s easy solutions. Just improve the speed of dragon riding (or keep it the way it is, fun detected) or pledge to try to give dragon riding to all areas eventually. The nerf was unnecessary.

[Kratoast-cenarius]

One other thing i forgot was when they first announced Soar, they specified that it was the base Dragonridding without any upgrades. Now its WORSE then base Dragonridding.

[Aislynn-blackwater-raiders]

I really honestly don’t think Soar needs a nerf. There is a very easy fix to this and that is enable dragon riding across the board. The fact that they have an unfair advantage is a bit crazy in my opinion. So did the demon hunter with the double jump and glide especially in dungeons making it hard for others to keep up, the druids with their travel form, as well as the Worgen with running wild and the shaman with their wolf form in the maw. Not to mention the one ability that was given to the Venth covenant, Door of Shadows was used to teleport from one point to the other making it a cake walk for those that chose Venth to do the jumping puzzles for treasures while every one else save perhaps the demon hunter and warlock struggled. Those were not nerfed in those circumstances. As I stated at the top there is a very easy way to fix this and keep most people happy and that is to simply enable dragon flying across the board once you have it unlocked.

[Rayzodoom-proudmoore]

How blizzard responds to this overwhelmingly one sided feedback will speak volumes on if we need to temper our expectations on them listening to feedback and the dragonflight expac as a whole

[Aurek-moon-guard]

Absolutely. How Blizz responds to this exact change is your best indication of whether or not DF will be worth playing.

[Flower-kelthuzad]

I honestly don’t know why anyone would care that someone can get around faster in this game. Who cares? Every time you see a druid in travel form do you seethe about it? It just seems so weird to care about.

[Aurek-moon-guard]

Fun police

[Morgam-proudmoore (Morgam)]

Why Nerf Soar?

Blizzard Who Hurt You?

Who Hurt You?

God Damn.

[Aurek-moon-guard]

Blizz has some repressed memories about nearly dying while having fun. Now whenever they see others having fun they start to panic and cant refocus until the fun is gone. Very sad.

[Nilann-aegwynn]

Would be really unhealthy for the game if those Dracthyr guys get faster to the pet battle down there in Duskwood. They can’t let that happen, Jesus Christ.

[Marconiis-area-52]

Everything needs to become a gray homogenous paste so its ‘fair’. Unless its those LFR punks; screw those guys.

[Hotshotgg-ragnaros]

blizzard is hopeless for sure

[Shillea-azshara]

It was a fun racial. People just simply liked it. And no one was complaining about it and Blizzard went and nerf it for no apparent reason.