@Blizzard 5k post here and a few thousand related on forum now would be a good time to announce improvements to AV. Yes there is a player problem but also a few minor adjustments would level the playing field. Think about keeping people in your games long term. BG’s if fun is an added bonus to raids. 5k Blue post needed.
You have a point. I sorted by post count and this thread has more comments than any other thread in the history of this forum except the Blue Post announcement of the instant cap limit. It will probably become the highest post count overall.
If Blue attention is warranted anywhere it’s here. I doubt they’ll read this though.
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I doubt they haven’t read it.
It would indeed be interesting to see what sort of response they might give though.
December 8th would be a perfect time for the changes to AV. SL and Naxx will be out. Keep a good vibe going through the holidays 
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~60% of the posts in this thread are from the same 10 characters. And the ~2000 balance are from a relatively small number of individual characters as well.
If what you say is true, and horde “hurr durr the way they always do”, then a bridge defense is a good strategy… no?
edit: It appears that this past weekend alliance finally have begun to adapt.
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I can already tell you its not lasting much longer than that, lol.
It was more that there were some exceptionally bad horde teams, but then that’s always been a win condition.
Honestly horde teams are at an all time low. Literally the worst of the worst in av this weekend. It was like an nba team playing against 6th graders. And the win rate still sucked
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Indeed but many answers (mine at least) try to show the alleged imbalances are not as big as people pretends.
Guys the least thing to do if you can’t believe me is to time it before contesting it.
Amazingly, no one came with his own timer up to now 1500 posts later !
Also : SPGY ==> SHGY (ally side) would be 45 seconds instead of 47 because I don’t think I timed a little ahead of spirit rezzer. However, I’m pretty sure I did it in the cave. But I’ll retime it all since I’m not 100% sure about the spirit rezzer (It has been more than a month now).
Finally, alliance won a lot of games this AV week-ends. Alliance used the meat grinder trap at SHGY while waiting horde to hard cap SFGY. Horde adapted though so alliance need a new strategy.
Hey, the foundation is there, the way to win as alliance. The non-helpfuls of course will be there after AV weekend, but this just adds to the evidence that non-AV-weekend alliance (in general) simply do not wish to put in the effort to win, while their queue times work against that.
I am surprised that AV weekend saw that much of a swing in win rate, as it is like pouring a couple tablespoons of boiling water into ice water and wondering why the overall temperature isn’t hot. The BG has a couple things that should be fixed, but you cannot fix the general player attitudes by simply tossing a couple decent players with motivation into the mix. The no-motivation players will still be no-motivation.
The quote above “There’s no way Alliance can win a game with the bridge, or any other strat, if Horde adapt instead of hurr durring the way they always do.” is the height of head in sand, pants on head, attitude. If alliance was winning this past weekend with the bridge defense as many of us have been suggesting alliance get back to, then the swing back to not winning is a player problem.
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I make a bot thread and 2 days later Blizz responds, moves it to the support forum, and closes it (y’know so they can keep sweeping the bot problem under the rug).
Meanwhile there’s a PvP discussion that’s been going on for MONTHS and has 4k replies. Literally one of the biggest posts ever on the classic forums and Blizzard still hasn’t said a word.
If you haven’t figured it out yet, this company does not care about making classic a good game. They just want you to pay your $15/mo and deal with it.
I think very few at this point view the situation any differently. It is even more scuffed when they do things like releasing Naxx and the Naxx event simultaneously. It’s almost like they want classic to be over ASAP, despite it being a cash cow. Classic has an amazingly solid framework that they could have tweaked to make it absolutely awesome. But they didn’t. It’s really bizarre.
The quicker they release content the more reliant the hardcore community is on RMT. Which is exactly the way Blizzard wants it.
Hopefully they release TBC and the RMT people migrate to that, and leave classic.
Folks point to post count in this thread (by the relatively handful-numbered posters) when talking about AV, when the original AV announcement thread got a HUGE backlash against blizzard’s decision. And they ignored it, just as they ignored (even though they acknowledged) all of the threads leading up to the decision literally BEGGING them not to use 1.12 AV. The announcement thread got 138 likes and 2500 posts, while the “Huge, Huge Mistake” thread received
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Folks really shouldn’t be surprised in Blizzard’s point of view on AV at this point. They have consistently demonstrated that they do not give a murlock’s nether region about what players want or providing a better game.
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I don’t think anyone on this thread is surprised by Blizzard’s stance on AV. It is a real shame too #sigh.
Yeah so I just retimed cave run in horde cave and it’s definitely 12 seconds to get out of cave, even with max range from spirit rez.
Well, like I said, I have never timed it. I was thinking 7-8 seconds, but if you timed it out to 12, then it must be 12.
Peeps are plenty motivated its just whats driving them isnt faction pride and winning. Obviously winning helps and wins come easy for things like premades but its not 100% mandatory so other options are available especially if you have lots of free time.
There’s no real difference between horde and alliance other than red and blue. Thats it. Its the same cancer on both sides.
AV just sticks out like a sore thumb here because its wildly different than the other 2 bgs and there’s a huge discrepancy in queue times due to how many of each faction are queuing for it.
Rep is relatively easy to gain for both and when you can get rep up quick without winning a single game winning a single game isnt that much of a priority with 4 minute queues.