Yeah, I’m utterly flummoxed about Zovaal’s intentions. He seems beyond powerful and we have no one even remotely there to help counter him. I mean one minute Bolvar is like…I cannot help you… I’d be puppet. Thrall, Jaina and Baine are powerless cause it ain’t Azeroth. Anduin might as well be a lost cause unless he’s like mission impossible Solid Snake deus ex machina
At least in BFA Wrathion was our trainer/mentor.
Are we supposed to believe that the latter half of this expansion is Sylvanas atoning for her endless crimes by feeding us a means to stop Zovaal.
Barf
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I think that the loot drops for world quests could turn Shadowlands around.
Items that look like some spell token? just doesn’t hit the ball out of the park on my field!
I need 47 more weeks to farm all my honor gear upgrades though
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The next expansion needs to have everything and the kitchen sink in it! But hold the fruit please.
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Can you tell me where in the original game that Season of Mastery existed?
Hell, the first Classic client they released already had a ton of changes in it, and they’ve added plenty more since then!
Did you just seriously cite your own post as a rebuttal?
“You’re wrong! And to prove it, here’s something I said earlier!”
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The post deserved its own topic. Did you read it, or should I have copied it inline here as well?
If the part that’s tripping you up is the fact that it’s a separate thread, I can copy it here.
U cant create something new and wonderful from the same group of brains that brought u bfa and sl not to mention lawsuits etc. A new expac will just be SL x 2.
Need something completely different and new. As long as people buy tokens amd xpacs this is as good as it gets.
You had it right. Just wrap it up…for good.
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This is a huge problem with this game right now. WoW’s biggest asset is its history, and it has been criminally underutilized pretty much since forever.
It is not an ARPG, it is an MMORPG. It is WORLD of Warcraft. It makes sense to have seasons for e-sports stuff like M+, but it doesn’t make sense to fundamentally design the whole game as a seasonal game. That’s not really what WoW–or MMORPG’s in general–are about.
Expansions should fundamentally EXPAND the game, not replace it every two years. This isn’t Call of Duty.
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We’ve already been thru 2 recent content droughts:
- 8.3 —> 9.0 drought was ~10 months
- 9.0 —> 9.1 drought was ~8 months
So ~18 months… or around 1.5 years of low content in a game with a monthly fee 
We can survive another content drought if they wrap up SL early in 9.2… but a lot of us WON’T survive a 3rd bad expansion in a row if 10.0 is a flop
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It’s like people forgot how terrible the waits were for BFA content. The entirety of Shadowlands has been this way. Retail is no longer installed on my computer and I have no urge to reinstall it at all.
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If you know the next expansion is only 3-4 months away you don’t try and stretch the content with excessive time gates and lack luster rewards.
If on the other hand you know the next patch is 6 or more months out and you got nearly 20 years of data that shows players usually unsub after they feel they’ve completed their progression, you put in everything you can to try gate progress.
A lot can be forgiven if the content keeps coming, but all it’s flaws become apparent when you try stretch the shelf life beyond what’s palatable.
I’d bet you quite a sizable sum that you could find a lot more to do for the next year or two playing Classic Vanilla content than playing 9.1.5 Shadowlands.
The game is shallow now, it used to be rewarding and full of things to do outside instances.
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The fact that you started out your defence if them listening to players with professions shoes that they didn’t really listen in the major things
You talk about
1 profrssions
2 legos
3 endless grind
4 “warmode boundaries”
5 ripcord
So professions other that crafting the base lego item are just as irrelevant as ever and even those items I have heard you loose gold by making so are pretty bad anyway
Legos being craft able instead of RNG is actually good yes but let’s look at what else they attached to that. Torgast. When players said they didn’t like forces content like islands blizzard responded with a forced tower instead…
Endless grind. Instead of grinding azerite at our own pace (which was awful) they have out everyone in a time gated renown grind (which still sucks) I will give them credit for making it come from multiple sources although they still force the covenant campaign on you when you swap factuons/have alts etc.
Ripcord. Now this is the big one. This is them finally listening to things that people said would make the game unfun from beta. Let’s run through a few things
Covenant swapping (biggest system in the game)
Soulbind power (then even admitted it was a mistake)
Renown for alts
AoE capping classes.
See how those are way more significant impacts on gameplay than “we want professions to be meaningful” with their answer being “here get 1 crafted lego when you already used a crafted rings/trinket in bfa anyway”
The fact that they are “pulling the ripcord” now rather than in beta is because they didn’t listen not because they did.
Then there are the things they still didn’t listen to. The big bone being forced content.
In 8.0 raiding was mandatory for azerite gear because azerite gear acquisition sucked. What did they do? Add dom sockets lol.
Forced islands/warfronts became forced torgast.
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Yep.
We want timegating gone to have fun.
So there I was in bfa trying the goblin way. THey need a goblin trike, ofc. Can’t be a proper goblin without it, amiright?
so…get the cartel tabard, take a spammer to the mechanar region and go get me some exalted rep. Account bound trike unlocked in not much time at all.
Legion, BFA, now SL. Go do great things for us champion. But…only 4 wq’s at a time. Really y’all…life gave me 4 hours to play today. Its been 30 minutes…done. I got 3.5 hours left. give me something to do.
go…make ardenweald happy? Nah…I like you guys. and they have nothing I want.
Just remember that double the legendaries means double the grind and the insane amount of gold to upgrade them.
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Not really…
Leggo prices have crashed considerably ever since 9.1 went into a slump/people swapped to other games.
If they do allow double legendaries, they should add a BOA “bag of Soul Cinders” so we can freely trade it between alts like we can w/ Soul Ash.
In all honesty I stick by what I said when they delayed SL launch.
They could postpone for a year and still drop a busted, poorly impletmented pile of hot garbage. That’s just going off of the last few years of what they’ve shown us.
I’d love to see them put out something good… but when the coffee shop messes up your morning drink for years, is there much hope they will get it right tomorrow?
They need some fresh minds in there. Get the story to be interesting and enjoyable again. Let Ion go back to raid design, and get a director in there that can see a bigger picture.
Sure, take extra time, but get it right. If it’s a half baked mess again, what’s left of the players will be logging their final logs.
I was just looking at Bnet out of curiousity. One person was on yesterday. The following 12 people have not logged in for 6-9 months or more… Ouch.
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I like wow and have enjoyed it all of bfa and sl. Problem is, there just aren’t enough people left playing the game around my skill level to keep doing the content I want to do.