Alterac Valley in Classic

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

You are only deserving of this, Laeric, as you have yet posted anything remotely worth “listening to” in regard to vanilla/classic:
Go back to BFA, Wrath Baby.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

To make the argument that one has to rally people to defend just for there to be PvP in a PvP battleground is a ridiculous one. Do we need to go into WSG or AB and tell people there not to rush the objectives in order to PvP?

Yes it was extremely common in WSG and AB that if you wanted a specific strat you would need to rally the rest or at least some the rest of the team.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

I’ll wait.
Regardless of whether it is even an excuse to not recreate a specific piece of instanced content like AV. The whole “dog ate our data” is the most weak of excuses.

Except blizzard has never used that excuse and more importantly the reason they are using 1.12(that they consider it the best version of AV in vanilla) trumps whether they have the data for 1.5 or not anyways.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

that they consider it the best version of AV in vanilla

[Citation Needed]

_{but I do not expect you will be able to find a quote saying anything more specific than the use of the word “clarity”. Because it is you doing you, being the poster child of the need to have the ignore option back on the forum.}

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

that they consider it the best version of AV in vanilla

[Citation Needed]

_{but I do not expect you will be able to find a quote saying anything more specific than the use of the word “clarity”. Because it is you doing you, being the poster child of the need to have the ignore option back on the forum.}

Taken from this very thread,

It gives us several early improvements to the BG that we’re glad to have in place. Early on in AV, there were too many NPCs and they were too hard to kill. By 1.12, many had been removed and NPC health was brought down to a reasonable level.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

Being glad that “several early improvements” were in place does not directly translate to “they consider it the best version of AV in vanilla”.

I don’t even know why I am engaging with you, as your agenda to support the worst decisions of classic because of your sour grape mentality is blatantly obvious. I sincerely doubt you ever had any intention of playing classic.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

You do know what an improvement is right? And that they specifically mention 1.12 as the point they felt NPC’s were tuned to a reasonable level?

At this point I’ve met by burden of proof, can you provide a more recent blizzard post saying they consider an earlier version of AV to be better but simply don’t have the data? Frankly you just seem bitter that your #nochange stance is coming back to haunt you since you realize there are changes to 1.12 you want and aren’t getting.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

At this point I’ve met by burden of proof

You’ve done nothing of the sort. You posted that they liked a couple changes that were made over the course of vanilla, not that they think 1.12 was the best version of AV in vanilla as you claimed they did.

Frankly you just seem bitter that your #nochange stance

I was never a #nochanger. That shows how little you actually pay attention.

coming back to haunt you since you realize there are changes to 1.12 you want and aren’t getting.

I do not consider using early AV to be a “change”, despite your misrepresentation of the subject.

[Shenlong-dathremar]

How many 24 hour AV’s did you do in vanilla? I did my fair share on the way to R13. Your in depth post of #nochanges tells me you know nothing of how the mechanics of the different AV’s functioned.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

You’ve done nothing of the sort. You posted that they liked a couple changes that were made over the course of vanilla, not that they think 1.12 was the best version of AV in vanilla as you claimed they did.

You’re welcome to provide any quote indicating blizzard thinks a version of AV prior to 1.12 was better that was made after the quote I provided.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

Why would I bother putting effort into attempting to support a claim I did not make?

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

You’re one claiming blizzard doesn’t think 1.12 AV was the best version of AV in vanilla and they’re only using it because they don’t have a different version. So feel free to back that up.

I did provide my proof that blizzard things that all the changes they made getting to 1.12 were improvements.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

You’re one claiming blizzard doesn’t think 1.12 AV was the best version of AV in vanilla

[citation needed]

I did provide my proof that blizzard things that all the changes they made getting to 1.12 were improvements.

You provided a quote that said they were glad of “several early improvements”. Nothing more. Nowhere in your quoted text does it state that they think that “all of the changes they made getting into 1.12 were improvements.”

In fact, earlier in the thread, it was brought up that Mark Kern actually regretted changes that were done to AV during vanilla.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

You’re one claiming blizzard doesn’t think 1.12 AV was the best version of AV in vanilla

[citation needed]

Yep, I’ll be waiting for you to provide one.

Until then the most recent we have from blizzard is this thread explaining why they think 1.12 AV is the best version to use.

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

Why do you insist on saying that I made claims that I clearly haven’t?

Until then the most recent we have from blizzard is this thread explaining why they think 1.12 AV is the best version to use.

Which could simply equate to the version that requires the least effort on their part.
Big shocker there.

I smell a creeper.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

Some people don’t have anything else, just let him have his thread to vent in.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Why do you insist on saying that I made claims that I clearly haven’t?

Until then the most recent we have from blizzard is this thread explaining why they think 1.12 AV is the best version to use.

Which could simply equate to the version that requires the least effort on their part.
Big shocker there.

I smell a creeper.

And where’s your proof of that? Please go find a quote indicating that they have some major hurtle using an earlier version of AV and that’s the reason instead of the actual reasons they’ve given in this very thread.

You might be upset about 1.12 AV but that doesn’t mean that blizzard agrees, or that in general 1.12 AV was considered a failure during vanilla. The changes they gave as improvements were generally welcomed during vanilla.

[Ehma-korgath]

They said it was the most balanced version. Whether you like that answer or not that’s what their answer is. That sounds like one that’s fairly set in stone

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

And where’s your proof of that?

Proof of what? Are you oblivious to when someone is expressing opinion rather than making a claim?

The changes they gave as improvements were generally welcomed during vanilla.

See, THAT is a claim. Which I will now expect you will be able to back up with facts.

[Blays-bloodhoof]

1.5 would be preferable to the people that are going to make this Classic wow a viable thing.

/ opinion