griefing and harassment go and hand and hand if blizzard doesnt accept that now than whatever. but it was griefing and griefing was a word used back than by the person that was handling my case.
This thread has gone off into the back 40 and seems no longer productive. I believe the definitive answer has been provided. Probably time to lock it.
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Is collusion even in the EULA/TOS anymore? The only thing I could find with a quick google was that the last time it was in the TOS was in 2012.
Why? Why did you stay and let them do that for hours? You can have up to 50 characters on your account. Why would you let them camp you for hours?
“Griefing” has been used to describe things players don’t like.
- undergeared in dungeon/raid/battleground
- PvP camping
- farming ore and herb nodes
- not looting mobs
- posting crafting mats on the AH in single stacks (before the AH changes)
- posting crafting mats in stack not useful to the player (before the AH changes)
- undercutting on the AH
- tagging a mob
- not tagging a mob
- using a certain mount
- applying the BFF buff from the B. F. F. Necklace (from Pandaria)
- applying buffs (yes they have complained about this)
- not applying buffs
- replying to whispers
- not replying to whispers
Anything someone doesn’t like has been called griefing
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Someone once reported me to Blizzard for dispelling their paladin bubble off.
You can add that one to your list Rufflebottom. “Use of PvP class-based skills in a PvP situation”.
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And someone actually participating/not participating in wPvP in Warmode.
I don’t recall collusion being specifically called out in the Terms of Use, but it has been a while if you were looking at the 2012 version.
Overall, our policies tend not to call out specifics in many cases but provide general guidelines. I am not an expert on the EULA and we aren’t tasked to interpret it, but I’d say the following covers that subject, if needed.
xi. Disruption / Harassment: Engage in any conduct intended to disrupt or diminish the game experience for other players, or disrupt operation of Blizzard’s Platform in any way, including:
Disrupting or assisting in the disruption of any computer used to support the Platform or any Game environment. ANY ATTEMPT BY YOU TO DISRUPT THE PLATFORM OR UNDERMINE THE LEGITIMATE OPERATION OF ANY GAME MAY BE A VIOLATION OF CRIMINAL AND CIVIL LAWS.
Harassment, “griefing,” abusive behavior or chat, conduct intended to unreasonably undermine or disrupt the Game experiences of others, deliberate inactivity or disconnecting, and/or any other activity which violates Blizzard’s Code of Conduct or In-Game Policies.
There is also the Code of Conduct, specifically under Cheating:
Cheating
You are responsible for how you and your account are represented in the game world. Cheating in any fashion will result in immediate action. Using third-party programs to automate any facet of the game, exploiting bugs, or engaging in any activity that grants an unfair advantage is considered cheating.
Exploiting other players is an equally serious offense. Scamming, account sharing, win-trading, and anything else that may degrade the gaming experience for other players will receive harsh penalties.
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Yes, what you describe can be defined as griefing, but griefing in and of itself is not a definitive category. “Griefing” tends to fall under Harassment, Zone Area Disruption, Exploitation, Scamming, etc… Which is the point that Perl was trying to make.
Yes, our Game Masters tend to use the vernacular commonly used by the player they are talking to. So while the category wouldn’t have been “griefing”, it isn’t unheard of that they used that word when speaking to you. Just like we don’t tend to say someone was “hacked”, we say their account was compromised (which is far more accurate), but if the person we’re talking to is using “hacked”, we’ll likely adopt it as well, for ease of communication.
Did this happen on a different account, Makafgam? Do you have a ticket ID? I only find one incident less than a year ago, which had to do with some chat harassment, nothing about corpse camping (which tends to not something we traditionally would penalize for).
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This is absolutely a thing that’s going on (I am/was in one of the guilds participating in this garbage), and probably one of the reasons why I quit the game. There’s a whole “collation” and even addons that mark players of the other faction as “friendly” or “hostile” so members of the opposing faction know who to kill and who not to kill. There was even an instance where a large group of the horde made sure they did everything they could so 1 particular guild on the alliance side would not be able to enter any of the raids, wasting their lockout for that week since it was done on a Monday.
And then there’s the whole “You get black listed and put on the kill list” if you were to go against the “collation” and try to create a group to kill one of the world bosses, just so 1 group of people can claim ownage on all the loot.
It’s garbage, and sadly, I saw this coming.
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Came here for the same reasons, we as a guild were hoping to participate in the AQ events but unfortunately we are not allowed in the zone
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It’s definitely win-trading, they have said multiple times they have all the scarab lords determined on both sides, and are guaranteed to get it without any competition, the coalition just silences any with them, since only a few guilds kill bugs. Pretty disgusting and sweaty man. Let people at least fight for it, Ally v Horde
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The CS forum isn’t for reports, nor the blues will take any action from posts on the forums for in-game action. More to the point, you’d need to report anything of this nature to the email that was posted above.
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This isn’t how you report it Kalima. If you feel someone is breaking the rules either report it in-game or use the email address provided in this thread ( hacks@blizzard.com ).
Public call-outs are against the rules. I’d recommend removing the names of the guilds.
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source perl? cuz i read the EULA and not there
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seems more personal vs. a guild. thats like saying bigglesworth is colluding with “said server” u cant really TARGET the single person for revenge or harassment. which is why they would not appreciate it.
Where did it say calling out a guild is exempt? Blizzard is quite clear about this. But it’s your posting privileges, not mine.
Here’s a thread about calling out guilds
We are getting off topic though…
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This is why I refrained from using any guild names in my post. I would rather make Blizzard aware of the situation, and deal with it accordingly. I have submitted what I have for evidence against the accounts responsible. I have encouraged my guild mates to also send in any relevant information and evidence on the situation. Thank you for the responses Perl and Vrakthris, it has been very helpful!
The posts outlining Cheating and Harassment were especially helpful, as I now have a better grasp as to how exactly this situation is in breach of the ToS and EULA.
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This is not something that I or any of my associates that monitor this forum can do anything about, Geewhiz. This forum is not the appropriate place to report possible policy violations.
If you feel someone is violating policy, please report it so that it can be properly investigated.
As I don’t have any information that I’d be able to provide here and unlikely that I’ll be able to provide it, I’m going to close this thread to encourage proper reporting. Thanks all.
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