A Plea for Mercy for my Friend

Hello,

My very dear friend, removed, who I actually met on this game some 18 years ago and have since formed a lasting real-life friendship with, was recently permanently banned for activity on classic anniversary. Initially, we suspected that he had been inadvertently banned in one of the AH bot purges and that it would be reversed once we got ahold of a real person, but after much back and forth, that did not happen.

Some context on what my friend was doing:

His primary method of making gold on WoW anniversary, always entirely for his personal use, was to purchase tailoring materials off the auction house, craft items, disenchant them, and then sell the enchanting materials on the auction house. This activity is not only within ToS, but is encouraged and is honest work (people need enchanting materials). Thus my friend was very surprised one day to find that his extremely old and honestly really bada** account was suspended from all versions of World of Warcraft—-permanently. No warning, not even a clear idea what rule he broke. The account is otherwise, to my knowledge, immaculate. My friend does not receive regular account actions or anything like that in the two decades he has played this game.

Thus we initially suspected his account must have been flagged in some way because of the volume of materials he was disenchanting, and that upon review his account would be restored. No big deal. However, that did not happen. After much back and forth, my friend was informed his permanent suspension would stand. We were shocked, but I now believe I have figured out why this is.

You see, it takes a great deal of time, because of the tailoring cast times, to craft and disenchant these materials. So my friend got the idea to do this while he had downtime at work. However, my friend is a nurse and it is not feasible for him to take his computer to work even though there is often a lot of downtime. Thus he came up with what seemed like an innocent idea: he would simply login to his computer from his phone. It turns out, this is against the terms of service. He did not know this at the time (if he had, he never would have done it to begin with). I also was unaware of this rule until tonight when I dug it out of the terms of service just trying to figure out what he did wrong.

From what we can both tell about the situation, this is the only rule that would have been broken. My friend:

-Has never sold nor purchased gold, nor would he ever risk his account to do so, which is of incredible sentimental value to him (basically it was his entire childhood). He has “the Insane” title. He was a multi-gladiator. He’s formed many life-long relationships with this account. He has mountains of memories on this account that he still talks about to this day. We’re talking about something incredibly dear to him that he would never risk on suspicious activity. We invite any GMs to scrutinize carefully any transaction they wish. He simply would never knowingly violate the ToS.

-Never allowed the account to be accessed by another person. It was only him logging in via his phone and even this he never would have done in a million years if he had simply known or been told it was against the ToS.

-Did not automate the process in any way. It was him pushing each and every button, each and every time.

-As far as we can tell, violated no other ToS.

Yet whereas I would consider this worthy of a warning, or perhaps even a temporary suspension if I was having a bad day as a GM, this proceeded from a situation of zero feedback and zero knowledge of wrongdoing to… a permanent suspension.

My friend is extremely distraught over this, and honestly I am as well, and the in-game GMs do not seem to care. I do not know why. So I am here to please ask you to have some mercy on my friend for this game that he has loved so much his entire life. Please reduce the suspension from permanent to something temporary. Even 6 months or a year, whatever is appropriate. Just please do not punish my friend permanently for something he did not know was wrong, and will never under any circumstances do again.

I hope you will consider my request. I know my friend very well and I promise he will not make you regret it. Thank you for your time.

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They won’t.

Only they can appeal. Nothing you or anyone else to say will sway Blizzard.

Because appeal tickets are worked on by a separate team.

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As I said in the other thread… THEY need to do this. Not you.
And open an appeal ticket.

They also don’t toss around perma bans for no good reason as well.
They are either a multi offender and it scaled up, or it was egregious enough to warrant a perma on first ban.

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It’s laudable that you would like to vouch for your friend, but I’m afraid it will do both of you no good.

Blizzard will only ever deal with the person who’s name is registered on the account, they must be the one trying to clear their name through appeals.

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Generally remote logging in is not allowed except from an authorised source. Nowadays, we got Gforce Now as an authorised vendor due Microsoft negotiations with watchdogs, I believe it has free short time and premium long time durations too so they would’ve been entirely fine if they used that.

Instead of remote logging in like that.

I have nothing else to add to the others above me.

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They are either a multi offender and it scaled up, or it was egregious enough to warrant a perma on first ban.

I am 100% certain neither of these are the case yet the appeal has reached the stage where they say they will no longer respond. If I wasn’t 100% convinced, I wouldn’t be here. This is a final act of desperation because those handling the ticket do not care.

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The account action team investigate via their internal logs. They can see EVERYTHING that happens in game. There is no evidence anyone can bring in from outside to sway that.

It’s not a case of caring or not, it’s a case of intepreting the logs based on policies and procedure.

Your friend can keep appealing until they’re told absolutely no more appeals.

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Just to touch on this: They don’t bargain with account actions. They don’t do it because folks will just want a slap on the wrist if they could. They don’t do reduce account actions because they felt bad for their action, they don’t do it because someone promised to be good from now on.

They only do it when they see it fit, like someone getting dirty gold, but wasn’t part of the real money trade.

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No. Only he can appeal via ticket. All this post is, is spam, and will have No effect whatsoever.

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I encourage them to look at whatever logs they wish. It took us multiple weeks to even figure out something in the ToS that could have been violated by his actions.

I just want a fresh set of eyes. A different GM. Maybe an explanation to him of just why this warrants the action they took. Heck, even confirmation this is what was violated because neither of us can think of anything else that would have been against ToS.

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Then posting here will go no where other than a blue airing their dirty laundry and showing how the ban was deserved.
:dracthyr_shrug:

Story old as time.
Them - “I did nothing wrong!”
Blue - “Well actually…” (whips out the handy dandy logs)

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I (and he) welcome that fully.

That means it has been reviewed multiple times by different GM’s (each appeal is viewed by a different GM and never one who has previously reviewed it) and for it to be a perma ban means the evidence is VERY damning if they won’t reduce it to 6 months.

Given that, I would believe your friend is lying to you about the true nature of the ban.

As others have mentioned only he can appeal, and Blizzard will only give information to him not third parties.

If they were to post in the CS Forum a Blue SFA may indulge more information (not guaranteed) but it will probably simply reveal the real reason they were banned and not what they are telling you. This is because perma bans which reach the point to which they will no longer look at appeals means the action(s) they have on record is VERY bad.

Yup, the friend would also have to post here. They won’t share account penalty information unless they owner of the account consents.

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They won’t - they don’t talk about account actions to 3rd parties. Even then, this forum isn’t for appeals, nor for pleas. Nothing anyone says will have any effect on the appeals team actions.

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That means it has been reviewed multiple times by different GM’s (each appeal is viewed by a different GM and never one who has previously reviewed it) and for it to be a perma ban means the evidence is VERY damning if they won’t reduce it to 6 months.

Not only is he just not this type, but there is no way he is lying to me, we have spent hours going over this together. If what you say is true about the evidence needing to be extremely damning, then I am wholly convinced the GM(s) have made a mistake.

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That’s what he got. Every time he put in a new appeal it was looked at by a GM that wasn’t previously involved.

This, however, is extremely unlikely. Given the nature of bad parties that would sell their soul in order to exploit the game with this sort of information, Blizzard will never reveal what was flagged for violation outside social violations.

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Can he even post with a banned account? I’ll ask him to try to post here.

You would be surprised how many times people do this, have their buddy post here. And for the SFA to show the reason for the ban proving their friend was in fact lying to them.

Yes they should be able to. Customer Support and few other forum sections allow it.

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This is not just some buddy and I have been discussing this with him every step of the way. We are very close. If he was secretly doing something wrong and trying to hide it, he would not hide it from me. His reaction was one of, at first, belief it was a mistake, then shock at it being upheld, followed by utter confusion over a period of weeks. This person is not a liar. This person is not even good at lying. He is not what you describe.

It. Will. Not. Matter. He can post all he wants, and NOTHING will come of it. The Only Way to resolve it is via ticket. The Blues here are Not intermediaries, nor liaisons. The only thing they “May” do, is expose any untruths or outright lies (publicly, I might add).

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