How exactly do you know how the team feels? Some people are screaming to run to the end and pull. Some people are screaming about defending back caps. Some people are screaming about doing back caps. Other people are just standing at the end silently. Even more people are dying and just turtling.
What is the feeling of this team? We aren’t all in a discord talking. No one is actually the leader. This is why its confusing. Their is no team spirit. You got like 4 groups people doing their own thing. I just feels like one group of people of the 4 doing their own thing gets banned. The other 3 not doing what the other 3 groups wants seem to not be punished. What exactly gives here?
So, after the tower that you’re defending from being backcapped falls, what do you do? Do you hang out in the empty burned tower or do you join the team to fight the boss? Damage and healing to NPCs is damage and healing. There are NPCs at the enemy bunkers and towers, if you were taking part in capturing and defending them as the timer ticked down you’d have damage to NPCs.
Is the graveyard or tower that you’re defending one of the outlying outposts on your faction’s side of the map and no one has made a move for it, and everyone else is rushing the boss, why are you still out there?
I will say though that one CS rep on the CS forums is not really making it known that this behavior is wrong. And sure their may be more threads out there, but a general big blue GD or PVP forum sticky with that information is a better way to get that knowledge out.
How many AVs do you honestly take part of that last more then 10 minutes. I’m actually curious. Cause all the AVs I did today maybe 3 out of the 20 turned into turtles. Which means the other ones were over in less then 10 minutes. So let me ask you. If you run from the Cave to lets say Icewing bunker or Tower point. How long does it take you to get there? After the 4 minutes burns down, how long does it take you to get to van or drek? Cause you’re missing the whole point of what i’m trying to get across. A guide you are sent to directly from blizzards website tell your to not only avoid enemy players but to defend capture points. But then you have a blue post with a cs rep saying defending a point is grounds for a ban.
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Problem with that is most these people cannot get in game. They don’t respond much on other forums. The ticket system is probably filled with people complaining about que times.
The way towers work in AV is they have a long cap time. So you actually want to prevent them from being captured. Which in general means you need to be there when players show up. Or the timer restarts and the odds of victory decrease. Pretty much the first team to get 2 towers down wins the game in a lot of cases. So one reset could very realistically lose you the game.
Now it is something of an art to know these things before they happen. But I am not sure the ability to know the future and what will or wont happen should be a bannable offense.
Some? Even if they’re short matches, though, once the tower that I’m hanging out in to prevent a backcap burns, I head out to other objectives or try and make it to the boss rush to help out. In the meantime, even if there were no defenders, I damaged NPCs in the taking of the tower that I’m in so I wouldn’t show up as 0 damage 0 healing.
If I’m hanging out defending my faction’s towers, and clearly no one is going for them and everyone is on the boss, obviously it’s pointless to stay out there. I head to the boss. Even if it’s far. Even if I will barely get to the boss before he or the enemy boss dies. I watch for callouts in chat, see what the group is doing, and do that. That’s PVP. It’s not a series of individual duels outside the city gates. It’s a group activity, where the group needs to cooperate like a group.
No damage and no healing isn’t the only metric that they’re looking at. They’re looking at patterns. If every single game, the only thing that you do is rush straight to Stonehearth Bunker and sit in it even if no one goes for it, even when everyone else is powering down the Horde base, that’s not participating and people are going to report you for it. If every game you rush straight to Iceblood Tower, let other people take it so you haven’t damaged a single NPC and sit yourself up in there, and still hang out after it burns, there’s no point. You’re not participating. There’s usually enough of a gap in capping time that if you head out once Iceblood burns, you’ll get to the boss around when the Frostwolf towers complete.
It’s not like it takes ten minutes to traverse the AV map. If you at least try to get there and are whacking at some NPCs or enemy players on the way, they can see that you’re trying instead of going, “WHUP, the AV guide on WoWHead says the objective is to sit in this empty tower, there’s no point!” as you scroll through TikTok.
The starting cave is not an objective so we agree here.
Standing in a tower that is actively waiting to burn however it is. Which is what I am talking about.
I have no problem with people getting banned that just stand in the starting cave. That is actually an AFK non-participation act. I still don’t think it should be 30 days. But it certainly is a bannable offense. That does nothing.
unless it’s under attack, there’s nothing to defend it from.
the opposing faction take time to get to the enemy base.
when people sit in their base just “waiting” for someone to come… that’s non-participation.
Say you cap a tower. The timer for it to burn starts. Everyone leaves. One person from the other team goes in and caps it in about 10 seconds. So if you are not there, guess what, the tower flipped back to them… the timer restart… the odds of a loss just increased.
At this point I think you might be really bad at AV. Which is ok. I don’t think you should be banned or anything for it. But people defending towers are certainly important to winning the game. Even when they aren’t under attack. Mostly because if you are zugging in the middle and it falls under attack its already to late to react.
Now, I will say if Blizzard expressively said this. Like black and white. No subjective. No we all know how the feel. But straight up said it then ok. The problem is this hasn’t really happened. Its just tons of people with different opinions on the matter.
If you helped take the tower, you’d have damage done on the NPCs in the tower, and if you defended it to the point of it burning but were still participating, they’d see that you rejoined the team or moved on to other objectives after it burned.
I feel like some people are saying “I got banned but I was defending towers from being backcappped” when that’s perhaps, shall we say, not the case, or at least not the whole story.
That actually isn’t the case. I can run in, click the flag in certain LOS spots, and as it spins people kill most if not all the archers. I am not alone in this effort. It is very much a team effort. These people often stay in this tower as well.
I will say that some people certainly abuse this. I am not saying all people are innocent. I am just saying that it is VERY difficult to tell the difference and its not explained very well.
