Some of them, like scanning for botting software, yes. Scanning for a specific game exploit. Hand checking millions of players is not going to be feasible which is why most game companies use anti-cheat software that works like antivirus software to scan for known cheats/exploits. Even those scans are reviewed initially by hand for errors. Not always perfect, but usually pretty solid. However, false positives can happen.
Some, like acting on reports for behavior, are handled completely manually without any software assistance from a scan.
Regardless, if they do identify some factor that all the accounts that are āinnocentā have in common, they can scan for that and reverse those. I can only talk about what has been made public over the years and they have talked about before. In the past they have posted statements about false positives and batch un-banning folks.
IF that even applies to this situation I have no idea. I can only talk in generalizations and past history. I can only speculate like the rest of you.
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Thats kind of the point being made. A few things need to take place here that are being totally skipped over by the people that swung the ban hammer.
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You can do little to no damage in BGs if you play objectives. Yes, some people abuse this but you have in game systems to prevent this. If those are doing NOTHING and you have to subvert to a shadow parser then those systems need to be corrected.
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While AFKing in BGs is annoying to peopleā¦ and I get itā¦ it isā¦ people just totally avoiding objectives is equally annoying. I mean if your whole AV just zugged in the middle for 20 minutes people would probably be flipping out about that too. Or if your players ghost BS or LM to go score some damage on players on the road. Or totally avoid the flags in WSG.
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The time level of the ban is insane. 30 days just isnāt correct. First time offsense? 24. Second? 3 days. Third, a week. Fourth, 30. 5th and final? A 6 monther. Keep it up after that 6 peace out. This is how you teach people and correct behavior.
On top of that these things should also be triggered by known in game systems. You getting the idle debuff a lot? Yeah they are going to start looking at you. You getting kicked from a bunch of BGs? Yeah watch out. But most people saw NONE of that. They just find out as they get kicked off the game that a shadow parser is watching them from the dark corner of the room and auto banning them. Absurd.
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I never once got the idle debuff. The only game people can say I was afk my power went out and I was kicked from the game for like 40 minutes cause no power lol.
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Exactly. I know a lot of people in that same boat. If those systems are THAT INEPET then they need to be adjusted to work properly. Then you ban people for SUBVERTING those protocols.
Not by imagining some damage or healing number up and sayingā¦ below thatā¦ WotLK experienced ruined. Above thatā¦ wellā¦ good boyā¦ you ran to Van and AOEed down the mobs and AFKed for 5 minutes while people WORKING OBJECTIVEs did their bit.
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So if they donāt have time to hand check the amount going on up front then what good is the after review actually doing? If the sort says these 5000 players were in violation of the rules for afking in battle grounds is someone really checking all 5000 and issuing the bans needed individually? Or is it a once over to make sure the parameters were correct and then hit the button for batch banning?
Iām asking because we hear that bans arenāt automated and everyone is reviewed, but we arenāt seeing the review in action, and while the process isnāt automated based of reporting itās still automated if itās pulling off of set parameters with no review even after the fact.
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Donāt mix up bot bans/third party software/expolits caught by Warden and banned with account actions done from player reports.
Player reports do not result in automatic action, other than a possible squelch.
One has an aspect of automation (detection software) and the other is manual still (player reports).
I have NO idea how they did this ban wave at all. I only know they have the tech to identify a parameter, scan for it, and take an action - including unbanning.
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Have you heard of anyone getting unbanned TODAY? Tryn to figure out if it was solely yesterday reversal
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Not much in the way of un ban posts so far today
So what you are saying is that they could also easily identify a parameter, such as 0 damage 0 healing, and ban people based on that with no manual review.
Also @scythir, no unbans today from what iāve heard/seen. Most of us are just sitting in appeals.
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Today? I have not been tracking today. Multi tasking with IRL. I know a unban wave went through last night based on what I see on the forums.
For now, assume anyone else who is not unbanned, will need to leave their ticket in. Those who were unbanned can cancel their ticket to free up a queue spot.
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welp, if none reported today, no reported reversals, I think we can say its done. One wave of reversals and over. Not one report of unban today.
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Appeals had a 2 day waiting period yesterday before the bans. That time has increased to 7 days from what Iāve been told. I think there will be more unbans they are just in review or waiting to be appealed. I am also assuming a lot goes into this and its not as simple as we all think.
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Well I think what happened is the really EASY stuff, like the people with low level DKs, got auto unbanned really fast because it was both a known game to just troll report them AND they can do very little damage against anything in AV anyway.
Anyone else is at the mercy of getting hand reviewed and getting judged for defending a tower instead of pulling up some rams and birds up into it to get some extra damage in.
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Maybe, but gotta figure ā all the āunbansā last night were all at once, big batch. Then nothing. Like an automated way to search and then all unban at once
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If they were actively reviewing and unbanning, surely weād get one report here today lol
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Lets say I agree with you and it is done there. I still canāt idly agree with the 31 day ban timer when people who RMT or Bot openly get 3 days to 2 weeks for their first offense. There are just a lot of things wrong with this entire situation.
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Oh 100. 30 days, on top of missing wrath release, IS EXTREME. Regardless.
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What about all us that leveled and just went for the bosses cause interacting with level 70 would cause us getting 1 shot. How long are we gonna have to wait for someone to look at the ticket there seem to just be no info at all. Also isnāt it a bit weird that there seem to have been a BIG unban wave here on US but no one have heard anything on EU is there a reason why that is happening?.
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I donāt think so. This whole thing has been REALLY under the lid. Its not uncommon to hear about big bot ban waves and such. This one has been EXTREMELY player driven outrage and not a big post saying āAmerica, we got himā with a big tweet or anything.
You know whyā¦ yeahā¦ because they know and we know its a little bit of bull and we are in the how to save face with both sides. Keep some people banned to make the hahaha we got them crowed happy and unban enough people so this story isnāt the front page going into WotLK.
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Im simply pointing out the difference. Last night, Mass wave of UNbans. TOday, not one report of an unban or reversal
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