2 Years Later

Yup.

Quote the statement saying Sylvanas will be redeemed at the end of SL.

Go ahead.

I’ll wait.

Except they are. In Shadowlands.

False. We know there’s a bunch, per the story, in Stormwind and spilling into Elwynn. We know the Nelf military was sufficient to push Horde presence out of darkshore. We know their leaders are alive. We know that players can still make Night Elven characters.

So, Night Elves. Not completely destroyed.

If that were true Tyrande wouldn’t be going after Sylvanas. In Shadowlands. To get revenge. Thrall wouldn’t promise to take Sylvanas’ head to Tyrande.

It doesn’t seem like you understand what supported by the lore actually means.

  1. Denial
  2. Anger
  3. Bargaining
  4. Depression
  5. Acceptance

You are firmly stuck at number 1.

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Nope

  • Sylvanas isn’t evil
  • Sylvanas won’t die
  • Sylvanas has a plan that will change everything
  • Sylvanas won’t be a raid boss

If you cant count 1 and 1 together it’s not my fault

Nope, the night elves achieved all the revenge they were going to get and that plot is over. Dev statements.

a “bunch” isn’t a lot when millions died.

but somehow not sufficient to reclaim Ashenvale too

Yea, for now. Tyrande is pretty much done

Again, the night elves got their revenge. Tyrande going after sylvanas will maybe result in her forgiving Sylvanas because it’s consuming her and revenge is wrong apparently. She had to learn the same thing against the Horde. Either that or she dies which is way more likely.

Yea, the Horde’s promises hold much value nowadays, they also promised to stay out of Ashenvale and they used that to commit genocide and the next possible opportunity.

Nope, I’m at 5 where I accepted that blizz won’t let the night elves get any resolution or justice for Teldrassil. You’re actually stuck at 1.

If you STILL don’t understand that was in relation to BFAs storyline, than that’s a you problem. Headcannon is not fact. Deal with it already and move on. It’s been explained to you MULTIPLE times now, that no one knows whats going on with Sylvanas in Shadowlands, like I said, outside of her intial monologue, she won’t even be active the first patch cycle.

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Again, Sylvanas story is something that goes on. Just because we switch expansions now doesn’t mean that the things they stated in the interviews aren’t true anymore.

Yea because they are keeping the outraging things for the end of the expansion, hoping that even more people will have forgotten about Teldrassil by then. Optimally for them, nobody would remember or care for Teldrassil anymore once they glorify Sylvanas.

Everything you just said is pure fan fiction with no merit to it.

You’re the one that keeps saying that the night elves only lost a tree.

Seriously anyone with a brain will tell you that 8.1 did in fact NOT make up for Teldrassil, and that Sylvanas should neither be redeemed nor glorified.

She’s not being redeemed or glorified. That’s just your headcannon. And they did only loose a tree.

Their tree and everything else, yes.

She is.

Yup.

So, you refuse to quote the actual dev statement. No surprises since it doesn’t back up your assumptions.

[Citation Needed]

Show me in the game or story who has Ashenvale.

Go ahead.

I’ll wait.

Head canon.

Concluded or not concluded. You can’t even make up your mind about the stuff you’re making up.

Yup. More facts illustrating how wrong you are.

Your post history suggests otherwise.

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You know what? I’m feeling petty enough right now, that not only do I hope they glorify and redeem her, they make her the new Kaldorei goddess if it means people like you will go away.

Off topic. Can I just say that new hairdo is fabulous.

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Thanks hun :gift_heart:

Nope.

You very well know all the dev statements I listed

go read a good war.

Nope, only 2 options for tyrande are to die to her powers or to die to sylvanas. She’s weak and in the middle of the maw.

Idk whats so hard to understand, but devs said that its concluded for them so there won’t be anything more, but the night elves didn’t actually get their revenge.

How so, I just proved you wrong

Nope, everything is speaking against you but you keep spitting out the opposite of what the story and the writers are saying just for the sake of arguing.

Showing true colours again careful with that

As an aside, in the recent video, it shows Tyrande and Shandris at Nordrassil. So it seems, for now, that the night elves have fallen back to Ashenvale and Mount Hyjal for the time being. It would be neat to see more NE RP there in-game.

And while I understand the frustration of players, I do also think it allows for some interesting growth and tension for the faction. I can see some NE’s viewing Tyrande’s actions as reckless, or that she might be neglecting her duties to her people; (I actually saw some semblance of this a while back in some RP in SW by some NE players.) I can also see the side of those NE’s who want vengeance rather than justice. And perhaps those dedicated to justice rather than vengeance. I feel like some of the greatest growths we have come out of some of our greatest tragedies in life. That said, I’m not advocating for tragedies either in-game or out of it. I just feel that the old adage holds true here:

That which doesn’t break us makes us stronger.

I don’t feel like the NE’s are broken. I don’t see them bending or bowing to those who want peace, and from what I’ve seen from the books and cinematics, they definitely are not.

The devs say a lot of things, and they are not always correct. I’d hold out for something from the lore team with regard to that, and thus far, from what lore we are getting, Tyrande is definitely suffering from taking in the power of the Night Warrior. But we don’t really understand what that entails (yet.) Likewise, she hasn’t been abandoned by her people, and she certainly hasn’t given up on seeing Sylvanas destroyed.

While the rest of the world might be more than willing to give Sylvanas the benefit of the doubt (and here I feel like I’m really stretching credibility, but for the sake of argument, let’s just say that’s true,) Tyrande’s character, right now, strikes me as someone who wouldn’t hesitate a moment to kill Sylvanas if she has the chance. I’m not sure that would be dulled by losing the powers of the Night Warrior, either. I think, honestly, I will feel cheated in some way, too, if after losing the power of the Night Warrior, Tyrande suddenly no longer desires that vengeance any longer. It would have to be a pretty convincing story for why she wouldn’t still flat out demand Sylvanas’ head on a platter.

You know like…her being replaced by a dread lord or something. Or … Sylvanas’ death being the catalyst for something even worse.

All that said, …it doesn’t hurt to try and understand things from another point of view. Derailing what was meant to be a memorial thread for the beautiful things lost with the burning of Teldrassil into a:

“NE are being treated like trash by all the things!”
“OMG. NO they’re not!”

just seems …exhausting, honestly. I don’t think, at this point, anyone disputes that what happened with the burning of Teldrassil wasn’t big, important, impactful, and …obviously as this post began, painful.

And while you may not have faith that Blizzard will take that into consideration with their story choices moving forward (Theramore comes to mind, though I do feel like they really tried hard to set that up well and conclude it in a way that was, if not satisfactory, at least impactful,) I’d like to hold out some hope that they will. We don’t know the whole story yet. And we may yet be disappointed. But until then…maybe we can stop trying to vilify our fellow community members and appreciate that they may not see things the way we do. And that’s okay.

And maybe we can share our loved sadness that something so beautiful and integral to the NE starting experiences in the game is gone.

(And to any NE player that says that humans haven’t lost something important like SW, you’re right. But we did lose Theramore, and believe me when I say that as a mostly human player, that was pretty devastating. I know that my fiance and I, for a very long time, felt that war with the Horde was justified for that act alone. And we still have a hard time playing Horde characters, sadly, because in a lot of ways, we see the Horde as being pretty awful overall. BUT…just like many people in the US view things from a US-centric point of view, it’s important to understand the rest of the world has a different or differing views. And those views are important; so, …it’s never a bad thing to listen to what our fellow players who DO love the Horde have to say. They are, after all, also part of this World of Warcraft that we all play. Even if, on some points, we agree to disagree.)

I already told you I’m a worgen fan. Not my fault you’re incapable of understanding that. There is no conspiracy. Now go bow to your new goddess, the glorious god killer Sylvanas.

False.

I do. And they don’t support your rambling.

Yet the story continues…

Nah.

You know, just because you have your profile hidden doesn’t mean we can’t see the silliness that is your post history. And your posts clearly indicate that you have accepted nothing.

For example:

Yup. Totally accepted…

“Acceptance”

"No, really guys. I’m over it. "

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Off topic, but I want pancakes.

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Pancakes > Waffles > French Toast > Crepes

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Yus! :gift_heart:

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To be fair, an interview in MoP said we’d be surprised with who the new Warchief was gonna be.

No one was.

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