1.12 AV is a huge, huge mistake

[Brokenwind-malganis (Brokenwind)]

You’ve ignored it once, you’ve ignored it again.
States of elements as they were within the vanilla timeframe are not changes.

Now wallow in your ignorance.

[Danceyrself-tichondrius (Danceyrself)]

Content from Vanilla isn’t… Vanilla?

Okay there bud.

[Hafez-moon-guard]

We can essentially play 1.12 AV right now on retail, and have been able to for over a decade. Why are you giving us this version of AV and not the true classic version?

I don’t understand, the people who DON’T want long epic games have retail WoW av for that, the people who WANT long epic games have nothing, and never will have anything. Why can’t you give us the version that was in for the majority of vanilla? Why are you settling for a version that’s essentially been around for over a decade?

I’d rather you give us as close to 1.0 AV as possible, please. Shredders, mine fields, EVERYTHING. This is the true authentic vanilla experience. I want day(s) long epic AVs. Fighting at a choke for days, kiting entire zergs to mines to watch them all die, summoning epic npcs to push into the alliance or horde base to finally move some ground. Desperately defending from the enemies summoned champions trying to hold your ground.

Leaving the battle, going to bed, then waking up and joining the same struggle again? Man, that felt so good. That was such a cool feeling I’ve never been able to get before. Then once you finally break through, capture their final graveyard and enter the boss room and win the fight? You felt like you just won a decade long journey, and remember the people in /yell trying to organize and give orders. You remember the enemies who tried so hard to hold on and not lose. There were heroes on both sides, and it felt like a real battle.

All of this felt so EPIC and an experience you haven’t been able to ever get again in WoW since the massive nerfs. Give us our truly unique experience that’s the AV I remember from my times playing Vanilla back in the day.

AV went from a massive battlefield - a true war where every persons contribution mattered all over the entire huge map - to a a centralized zerg on a single objective where you ignore PvP to end the game faster due to all these nerfs over time.

You can get 15 min PvE rushes on live servers, and have been able to for over a decade. Classic should be where you experience the unique versions of how content originally was.

GIVE US DAY(S) LONG TURTLE AVS! GIVE US OUR EPIC STRUGGLE INTO THE HORDE OR ALLIANCE BASE BACK! GIVE US WHAT MADE THIS BG WORTHY OF ITS EPIC TITLE!

All of this stuff still happened in 1.12 AV. None of this went away until they added Reinforcements. It’s boggling my mind how this post has so many likes. 1.12 AV didn’t have reinforcements… You still had to contribute and everything on the map was important.

[Cyonsiaros-kirin-tor]

I said this once, and I’ll say it again.

You made your own bed with your desire of hands-off changes.

Now lay in it.

Could you have contributed dumber stuff to the internet twice? Probably not.

[Jawannadie-anetheron]

Because AV comes with certain reputational gear that would be out of place at the launch of the game. Same reason they are not going to have HWL and GM gear at the start.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

You’ve ignored it once, you’ve ignored it again.
States of elements as they were within the vanilla timeframe are not changes.

Now wallow in your ignorance.

If you create a state of the game that never existed in vanilla it’s a change and not vanilla. And if you’ve been paying attention at all blizzard is using 1.12 for everything, all they’re doing is time gating certain things.

[Nightlynx-malygos]

Man, I remember original AV… I’d be fighting in there one day, log out for the night, go to school the next day, finally get home and log back in and they’d be fighting the same match still. Epic times.

[Squallhart-hyjal]

I would just like to add my name here and say I’m also very disappointed in 1.12 AV. I hope you will all reconsider and give us the original epic battle that was originally released.

Honor farming can be done in WSG and AB. Sometimes I just want to queue up for a big battle for fun. Not everything needs to be an honor farm.

Hope y’all change your mind and give us Korrak back!

[Flippantgoon-dalaran]

Long time player here (despite my forums character)

I also agree with the OP. While 1.12 AV isn’t necessarily a terrible option, turtle AV’s are something I (and probably many others) never got to experience. A good compromise in my opinion is to have both as separate BG’s. This way both parties can be satisfied.

But if it were my choice, and I wanted the closest recreation of vanilla that I could get, then it’s a no brainer.

[Xoxoxoxoxoxo-arthas]

umm. someone fresh me up on whats wrong with 1.12 AV. its been awhile since i played WoW

[Squallhart-hyjal]

It’s just very similar (exactly similar?) to what we have now. When AV was introduced it was a long epic battle that could last hours or days. I think that was around 1.5 or 1.6

The 1.12 version deletes a lot of the older things that made AV more “epic” such as removing Korrak from the middle of the BG and making Mobs much weaker.

Long story short . . . 1.12 AV is too similar to what we have now and it wont really show what old AV used to be like. I know 1.12 is what they’re basing things on, but it would be really nice to play the old AV again .

Edit: I had some misinformation in here. Thanks for the clarifications

[Seid-caelestrasz]

Here are two very good videos on the topic

[anon44004560]

@Squallhart-hyjal

and I think it added the timer to the battle . . . don’t quote me on that.

Shouldn’t be according to the blue post on it.

@Kaivax

In Alterac Valley, that puts us before the introduction of reinforcements. It puts us before the removal of all of the Commanders and Lieutenants. The only win conditions are the killing of Drek’thar in Frostwolf Keep or Vanndar Stormpike in Dun Baldar.

Seems the battles could still last MUCH longer than they do now as reinforcements won’t come into play. I would like longer battles, but I would also like battles that have an end so I can get marks before the apocalypse.

[Seid-caelestrasz]

They won’t have a timer but zerging the generals will still be the most efficient and easy way to go since the NPCs are so weakened.

[Abigaiil-tichondrius (Abigaiil)]

If you view the BG as a means to an ends - you have the best vanilla version.

[anon44004560]

How much weaker are they? I didn’t get to play it then so not sure how much they were nerfed. I remember playing it in BC though and needing to down the towers so the bosses were killable, at least until later in the expac when people were overgeared.

I suspect it’ll be the same in this case once people are decked in T2-T3 or even higher end PvP gear. Not sure how that’ll affect it. One side could switch to turtling every game to make them longer and beef up those HKs on both sides. lol

[Seid-caelestrasz]

I consider the towers and the generals a sad fraction of all the content AV used to have. You can watch one of the videos I linked for more information.

[Chookex-illidan]

The majority of people here on the forums agree with you.

Keyword “Forums”. The minority is often the loudest.

[Byucknah-agamaggan (Byucknah)]

I really want to see the old “days long” style of AV as well with the Troll Raid boss and other stuff also. AV was fun back then when turtles felt good, felt fun. Modern AV just feels like a souless PvE race and when it does become a turtle it just feels bad.

While I can’t personally say exactly why that was such a big change, I know a lot of people here can point out a lot of the details like they have been, but I really just want the old school AV setup not the more modern one.

Whenever it hits Beta I hope those playing give good feedback.

[Cleavner-illidan]

Why are you giving us this version of AV

It’s really not a deal breaker for most people, and they know that.