1.5 AV please please please

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

@Kaivax

So rather than try to recreate a specific experience from 2005 that can never fully be recaptured, our aim has been to accurately and fully restore the original game’s mechanics and stats to their final and most polished state from before The Burning Crusade. That mission has been a pillar of WoW Classic’s design from its inception.

This means that while content will be unlocked progressively to allow for each raid tier to shine, systems such as class design, battleground mechanics, and stats on existing items will all be set to their final 1.12 conditions. That should take the pressure off players to be constantly figuring out what we might do next to remain exactly in line with how the game once played out, and we can all focus a little more on community building and enjoying the experience together.

I wonder if we’ll see another Theracistcow on this topic.

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

You’re going to mock people for continuing the debate, but you’re the one who bumped the thread.

[Cubic-emerald-dream]

Trolls gonna troll.

edit: She’s doing the same gloating troll in multiple threads now.

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

She’s doing the same gloating troll in multiple threads now.

The two AV threads that have had responses within the last 5 hours…

And its not gloating. Its trying to ensure that there’s reference material for the inevitable continuation.

[Majat-draktharon]

I honestly dont understand.

We still have not seen ANY of you supposedly 1.12 supporters say anything in game related to why its a superior AV. You just come to my thread and dog on people that are saying why they enjoy 1.5av more. Of that isn’t a troll i dont know what is.

[Cubic-emerald-dream]

Aaaaaand she went ahead and created a new thread just to gloat/troll.

[Ironsides-stormreaver (Ironsides)]

I honestly dont understand.

We still have not seen ANY of you supposedly 1.12 supporters say anything in game related to why its a superior AV. You just come to my thread and dog on people that are saying why they enjoy 1.5av more. Of that isn’t a troll i dont know what is.

Why is 1.12 inferior?

[Majat-draktharon]

You’ve been on the forums long enough and i have seen your comments on multiple threads trying to knock 1.5ers.

You already know what we think makes it superior.

I don’t humor trolls, and I’d appreciate it if you’d explain to me why 1.12 is superior if you actually want a conversation on the topic, as i asked first.

[Ironsides-stormreaver (Ironsides)]

No, I really don’t. Not everyone has the same reasons as to why they prefer the 1.5 AV. What is yours?

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

You’ve been on the forums long enough and i have seen your comments on multiple threads trying to knock 1.5ers.

You already know what we think makes it superior.

I don’t humor trolls, and I’d appreciate it if you’d explain to me why 1.12 is superior if you actually want a conversation on the topic, as i asked first.

People have explained it, they’re the same reasons blizzard laid out in their AV 1.12 post. People prefer the fewer NPC version which let’s the map be more pvp centric as opposed to an NPC slog fest. You might not like those reasons but they’re just as valid as you claiming you enjoy the NPC/PVE heavy version.

[Majat-draktharon]

No, I really don’t. Not everyone has the same reasons as to why they prefer the 1.5 AV. What is yours?

976 posts says you know already.

People have explained it, they’re the same reasons blizzard laid out in their AV 1.12 post. People prefer the fewer NPC version which let’s the map be more pvp centric as opposed to an NPC slog fest. You might not like those reasons but they’re just as valid as you claiming you enjoy the NPC/PVE heavy version.

The NPC heavy version is the one where you rush to the boss and can win and never have to attack a single player character ding dong…

[Eloraell-moon-guard]

@Cubic-emerald-dream

Aaaaaand she went ahead and created a new thread just to gloat/troll.

You read gloat/troll. That’s like… your opinion man…

I’m sick of having character after character raise the same argument to be shot down with the same counter-argument. So its easier to just point at a compiled set of Blizzard statements.

@Majat-draktharon

We still have not seen ANY of you supposedly 1.12 supporters say anything in game related to why its a superior AV.

Aside from the fact that clearly you’re not reading the posts made above at all, for the purposes of repeating the same arguments again because there’s a new character (probably not a new person), making the same statements:

AV 1.12 doesn’t have to be “superior”. They are implementing 1.12 unless there is a compelling need to change things, as outlined in every one of their posts. AV 1.5 being “better” or “more fun” isn’t a compelling need to change things.

The status quo is 1.12 and no-one has provided a reason why it needs to be 1.5. The burden of proof is not on the status quo to prove the status quo.

Dev Philosophy

Since it keeps coming up in all these arguments, I wanted to point out the elements that make it clear Blizzard is not trying to cherry-pick from different patches for their final experience. They are presenting progressive content until CP6, but not remaining at any of those earlier patches. The recent Itemisation post has the best quote, but they have been littered through all communication that the Dev team has provided. After careful consideration, we decided on Patch 1.12: Drums of War …

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

No, I really don’t. Not everyone has the same reasons as to why they prefer the 1.5 AV. What is yours?

976 posts says you know already.

People have explained it, they’re the same reasons blizzard laid out in their AV 1.12 post. People prefer the fewer NPC version which let’s the map be more pvp centric as opposed to an NPC slog fest. You might not like those reasons but they’re just as valid as you claiming you enjoy the NPC/PVE heavy version.

The NPC heavy version is the one where you rush to the boss and can win and never have to attack a single player character ding dong…

It’s also the version where the primary responsibility to stop a rush is on the players, you know pvp on a pvp map. If you don’t like the rush do something about it.

[Ironsides-stormreaver (Ironsides)]

976 posts says you know already.

I only really recognize maybe 5 people on this forum, you’re not one of them. Should I set up your own arguments and attack them for you or would you prefer to lay out your own?
I have a feeling you prefer AV 1.5 because of the multiple day wars. Is that the only one you want me to discuss? Or should I make mention of how they removed the Syndicate when no one even remembers what Ryson’s Seeing Eye even did (other than give your character a radiation effect when carried?)

[Majat-draktharon]

No, I really don’t. Not everyone has the same reasons as to why they prefer the 1.5 AV. What is yours?

976 posts says you know already.

People have explained it, they’re the same reasons blizzard laid out in their AV 1.12 post. People prefer the fewer NPC version which let’s the map be more pvp centric as opposed to an NPC slog fest. You might not like those reasons but they’re just as valid as you claiming you enjoy the NPC/PVE heavy version.

The NPC heavy version is the one where you rush to the boss and can win and never have to attack a single player character ding dong…

It’s also the version where the primary responsibility to stop a rush is on the players, you know pvp on a pvp map. If you don’t like the rush do something about it.

Rushes just shouldnt happen at all, people should not be given a chance to feel like they can enter this BG and just rush to win and get their rep rewards. You should have to fight players to get those PVP rewards. Even if i had 15-20 people to stop said rush the 1.12 version makes it far more possible for them to do this PERIOD. Thats not up for debate, it just does. If a premade wants to rush in 1.12 they will VERY likely get that done. In 1.5 they are FAR less likely even as a premade to do this.

[Ironsides-stormreaver (Ironsides)]

Rushes just shouldnt happen at all,

That’s a player mindset problem and not a problem with 1.12 AV.

people should not be given a chance to feel like they can enter this BG and just rush to win and get their rep rewards.

Why not? Is the goal of a battle not to kill the enemy general? Protect your own general?

You should have to fight players to get those PVP rewards.

Unfortunately AV has a PvE objective instead of a PvP one. Blame it on the design of the game.

Even if i had 15-20 people to stop said rush the 1.12 version makes it far more possible for them to do this PERIOD. Thats not up for debate, it just does. If a premade wants to rush in 1.12 they will VERY likely get that done. In 1.5 they are FAR less likely even as a premade to do this.

Lol, a 15-30% power nerf in NPCs and making some not respawn is truly gamebreaking.

Top one is an actual 1.5 AV.
Bottom one is a 1.12 AV.

Notice a difference in PvP? Not really.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

No, I really don’t. Not everyone has the same reasons as to why they prefer the 1.5 AV. What is yours?

976 posts says you know already.

People have explained it, they’re the same reasons blizzard laid out in their AV 1.12 post. People prefer the fewer NPC version which let’s the map be more pvp centric as opposed to an NPC slog fest. You might not like those reasons but they’re just as valid as you claiming you enjoy the NPC/PVE heavy version.

The NPC heavy version is the one where you rush to the boss and can win and never have to attack a single player character ding dong…

It’s also the version where the primary responsibility to stop a rush is on the players, you know pvp on a pvp map. If you don’t like the rush do something about it.

Rushes just shouldnt happen at all, people should not be given a chance to feel like they can enter this BG and just rush to win and get their rep rewards. You should have to fight players to get those PVP rewards. Even if i had 15-20 people to stop said rush the 1.12 version makes it far more possible for them to do this PERIOD. Thats not up for debate, it just does. If a premade wants to rush in 1.12 they will VERY likely get that done. In 1.5 they are FAR less likely even as a premade to do this.

That’s fine you don’t like 1.12. Unfortunately for you a lot of people do including blizzard.

[Sharinn-tichondrius (Sharinn)]

Well I hope they’ll buff those npcs dps hard.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Should be pretty clear at this point they don’t intend to change anything game mechanics or balance wise in 1.12.

[Sharinn-tichondrius (Sharinn)]

Should be pretty clear at this point they don’t intend to change anything game mechanics or balance wise in 1.12.

Oh??
But what if they do.