But isn’t app game on iphone or ipad the inevitable trend? And they are easy to play on and easy to stick to, as they’re designed for those who want to kill some fragmented free time like waiting in line or lunch break, while you leave your big chunks of time for important things on your schedule. I thought BLZ is falling behind on this. Hearthstone is their hardest effort to catch on.
I just wish they re-retcon the Highmountain and Vault of the Wardens if they will make an RTS of WoW lore.
“We are being outnumbered by Illidan and his Naga, send help to Shan’do!”
“What about our Highmountain allies who fought the Legion together with your brother?”
“Uhh… no. Jarod is irrelevant.”
“What about the Furbolgs in the Dream Grove?”
“Uhh… no”
“What about the human settlers in that coast over there? We fought the Legion with them last year.”
“Uhh… no. Shan’do. Stormrage.”
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However, night elves in WoW has neither of those. All the mountain giants are mobs and there’s no masked or hooded warden I can think of.
Yeah it may be important. But then you still do not announce your loyal fanbase a mobile game when they expact a pc game. In this time prestige is still important if not even more now.
I mean, in Wrath of the Betrayer and Balancing the Scales, Maiev and her Watchers were cornered like rats by the Naga and they sent a runner towards as far as to Malfurion
And then in Legion, we saw three entire civilizations right in the island literally next to them that were already there before Frozen Throne era (the Furbolgs in Val’sharah, the Highmountain Tauren, and the shipwrecked Gilnean Brigade). At least Blizzard made a poor excuse of “oh, the Suramar shield also kept them from view” for the Nightborne
There’s at least one relevant Warden, the one who joined the Forsaken and the Horde
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That’s a far stretch. Also, ancient cities like Dalaran and Suramar shouldn’t exist. They were sacked long ago and only ruins should remain. In the best case scenario, you could have some tribes setting up a big camp in the ruins for travellers, such as Shattrath, or you could have some monsters taking over the ruins and turn them into a dungeon or a hub of dungeons, such as Auchiondoun or Stratholme. You don’t miraculously resurrect them from the ruins as fully functioning cities in all their past glory. This kind of retcon is too much.
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This topic is the most striking example of why preserving the old lore is bad. A lot of new players will come to Reforged from WoW. The vast majority of those who buy the game after the release did not follow all the interviews and have no idea what was planned and what became. At best, they will read a site with a description of the game. They will play the game, see the differences between what they know about Warcraft and what they see in Reforged. They will come here to the forum to ask and find out why. And what will they see here?
“WOW IS TRASH”
“WOW GARBAGE”
“GTFO WOW PLAYERS”
“GO BACK TO WOW FORUM”
Simply put, we get a game with a small core of a very toxic community that reacts very aggressively to any mention of WoW or books on the universe. Mentions that will be and which will be many, because all this is Warcraft.
Of course, those who write such wonderful messages as shown above will say that WoW players in the community are not needed. At best, they will become an absolute minority and they will not be particularly noticeable. At worst, they will remain the main audience of the game. Why the worst? Because for the success of the game there must be as many players as possible. And WoW players, whatever one may say, are much more than Warcraft 3 players.
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Even so, I believe we should have still the classic campaign as a time capsule and as a relic of the past.
The reforged campaign can come next as a future update
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I completely agree. The original campaign in the game is required. With original voice acting, plot and missions. But the people who write “WOW IS TRASH” are against the very presence of a redone campaign.
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I can’t blame them though.
Even though I don’t mind the Draenei retcon, Murdain not dying, Cenarius and the demons being resurrected (technically this one is expanded lore, not retcon). I hate the retcons of the Vault of the Wardens, the Highmountain Tauren, and the Dream Grove. I wish Classic WoW would re-retcon Legion and BFA.
There are things in the canon that I also really don’t like. The main bosses of The Burning Crusade, especially Kael’Thas on the side of the Legion. I wish it never happened. But all these hateful things are future events regarding Warcraft 3. The canonical events of the Third War, in my opinion, contain nothing terrible or hateful. For example, the ice bridge to the Sunwell or the battle of Arthas against Anasterian.
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I was too expecting Reforged to be Warcraft 4 but it’s not 
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I don’t mind the ice bridge tbh. Literally in the opening screen, the map shows Sunwell Isle far from Silvermoon and yet in game it’s literally connected. So the ice bridge would be really just an expanded lore and not a retcon
The goblin zeppelins and way gates can be easily explained by “gameplay purposes”
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Is there anything really terrible in the canonical events of RoC and TFT? Something that under no circumstances would be desirable to see in Reforged.
My post here:
I’m desperate for Blizzard to notice this one
Not quite. The return of Arthas from northrend is iconic. The culling is a great point of character development for Arthas, but nothing more.
Like illidan that take the skull of Gul’dan is character development but is iconic when he summon the naga.
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They explain that. Maiev (like Fandral) is “pro Elven Superiority” like “we DESERVE to return immortal” so he doesn’t seek help from other races because she hate doing that. In fact only because she lost all the warden in Outland she accept the help from akama (all in “illidan” the novel during legion).
Before that (in Wolfheart that now is retconned because here Maiev became a Villain) she kill elven and worgen and try to kill Malfurion and when she escape she scream quote like “we deserve to return immortal etc etc”
They simply need to redoing all that scene with Maiev because like you said is insane that she doesn’t seek help from Fulborg/Tauren/Hearthen/ etc
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It’s even more weird that there’s literally no medium (yet?) that redeems or even explains Maiev after that. I only saw some speculations of Maiev being controlled by the Twilight’s Hammer or the Legion that time but other than that, I saw no official confirmation from Blizzard.
And then in BFA she’s fighting alongside Malfurion, the Gilneans and Highborne like nothing happened that time.
Also, I thought the Watchers who survived sought refuge with the Alliance Expedition and/or the Draenei? Didn’t expect them to be wiped out other than Maiev (I just played Shadows of Hatred and I based my assumptions there)
Yeah sorry I suck in English, I was talking about the earthen.
For Maiev is a big mess:
I try to explain and I’m sorry for my lack of English:
In Warcraft 3: Maiev follow illidan into Outland. She chain him but Kael and Vashj stop her and we don’t know nothing more.
In World of Warcraft TBC: We know that illidan trapped Maiev like she does to him and akama is her Jailer. During the assault of of the black temple akama free her and she kill illidan and she said “the hunter is nothing without the prey. Now I’m nothing”.
In the novel “WolfHeart”: Maiev return to Darnassus from train a new generation of warden. During this time her brother Jarod come back from exile (because his wife die of old age and want to die in the land of their people). In this time a lot of shit happened: some Worgen and Hightborne are killed and Maiev and her warden are searching. Jarod follow Maiev and learn that she’s the killer and try to capture and kill Malfurion. From Malfurion POV Maiev is become insane and in a lot of irony she became a lot like illidan. Jarod, Tyrande, Malfurion and others kills the more Loalist of the new warden and Maiev flee. Tyrande put in charge Jarod of the new warden and his first task is to track down Maiev, ironic.
During World of Warcraft Cataclism: We learn that in Hijal we have a new “branch” of warden that protect the land and Fandral. They call themself “the shadow Warden”.
During “the tomb of Sargeras”: we know that Maiev is fine with a lot of Wardens and they introduce the “Vault of warden”. So they retcon Wolfheart. Because Maiev is fine and the alliance nor the elf are not mad with her.
During “illidan” novel: They rewrite all the warcraft3/TBC thing: now Maiev have some unit still with them (4-5 warden and a druid). Because they are in small number search for help from the local in Outland for years. Akama want to wait so Maiev when she try to see wat illidan is doing fall in an ambush, all the wardens are killed and only her is taken. Akama free her and the rest is history.
During World of Warcraft legion: they screw up again. Jarod is actually searching for Maiev (like in Wolfheart) but he didn’t say that he lead the wardens. We find Maiev and all is fine. no one is mad with her. During the initial quest from the demon hunters. You come back from mardum and illidan is taken (Maiev have with her some wardens during the Cutescene so WTF IS HAPPENING BLIZZARD!) she chain you and the rest of the demon hunters and put you into the vault. She free you only because she need help against the legion. During the final patch of legion she even made some jokes like a old married couple with illidan.
During World of Warcraft BFA: Maiev is the Reasonable one with Tyrande(Tyrande is mad and want vengeance and Maiev is worried about her…Maiev…worried about Tyrande…yeah). She made a nostalgic Discussion with The Hundead Warden like she care about them and the hundead warden blame her for “let them dealing for years them she’s gone”. So the warden of Darnassus/Hijal don’t know a thing about the vault in the broken island or blizzard just stop to patching plot holes because reason.
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Pretty much the best reason to ignore current canon and just retell what was already in the original game, no changes. There have been so many inconsistencies and retcons over the years that there is no point modernizing the lore; it would fix nothing. They would just ignore Reforged and change the lore again in the upcoming years anyways, just like they already ignore WC3 lore for the most part.
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