I provided 4 examples of Protoss using telekinesis, Lycan provided you some more, and as usual you’ve provided 0 evidence that it’s not within their abilities.
I know you’ll say whatever the hell it takes to rabidly defend the story no matter how stupid it sounds, but you suck at it. Nobody who is reading this that isn’t spirit is going “yep, Kelthar has all the primary sources”. Your level of delusion is mind boggling.
No, youve provided 1 example of protoss using telekinesis (levitation) and a bunch of examples that you claim are them without any hard facts. I dont know what it will take to get this through your abnormally thick skull, but your interpretation is not and has never been a source, and the fact that you have to keep relying on it just shows how fundamentally weak all your arguments are. You know better than this Gradius but you just keep doing it anyway, and you keep failing in the same way and getting confused by it. You want to know how to make a real argument? Stop leading with “I think X is stupid” and start leading with “My primary source says this explicitly contradictory thing.” Or, well, do that if you ever actually manage to find one that does, because so far you have utterly failed to even come close.
I know you’ll say whatever the hell it takes to rabidly dismantle the story no matter how stupid it sounds, but you suck at it. Nobody who is reading this that isnt Gradius is going “yep, Gradius has all the primary sources.” Your level of delusion is mind boggling.
Well, it depends on your definition of Telekinesis. It’s either definitely or not at all.
Anyway, if you’re wondering why it spans for 100 of post, the answer is same old, same old. The Emperor and I know that Gradius is wrong. Gradius cannot accept that and so it begins.
In case, you’re interested, Gradius’ definition is that you move object purely by me; there cannot be physical contact nor any other physical means.
I’m willing to accept the definition where you just use psionic magic to move stuff. Like,
for example.
So WTL;DR, Gradius shot himself in the foot by selecting the wrong definition for a made up word and now trying to dig himself out of the hole.
Someone should let Subsourian know so he can edit the wiki since Kelthar refuses to acknowledge those examples of Protoss moving things with their mind are telekinesis.
Hahahaha I literally gave you the Merriam Webster dictionary definition of the word.
~Telekinesis Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
Nobody shot themselves in the foot, you just can’t fathom even the simplest of concepts like basic definitions.
If you tried to use a wiki as a legitimate source in a serious scholastic work, you’d be laughed out of the room, at best. You tried examining the actual work it was referring to and failed, so now you think invoking interpretations of that same work is going to make your argument stronger?
Hmm. Personally I’d probably define it as “the ability to generate kinetic energy from thought.” I.e., move stuff via mental means and not physical or other energetic means.
So you can’t pick it up, throw anything into it, use heat/magnetism/etc to float it. You literally just think it into motion. Almost like a cheat code for physics.
The ability a high templar has to levitate could in fact be explained by other, non-telekinetic means. Even if those means are natural and not artificial. Such as the ability to psionically generate a field creating a downward force, like electricity or something. Thus effectively perpetually pushing their bodies upwards.
But it could also be telekinesis by the conventional definition. Do we have a source explicitly calling high templar levitation telekinesis?
No, at this point I’m just making fun of you for thinking Protoss can cast lightning storms and energy balls but can’t move objects with their mind.
Thats ok. Im perfectly content to make fun of your clownish arguments and general lack of substance beyond angry shouting in return.
To be fair, neither of these abilities inherently requires telekinesis. We’ve already seen between the races how psionics can evolve in radically different branches and express itself in radically different ways. Without a source showing otherwise, it’s not unreasonable to assume protoss psionics might not have evolved with that particular specialty. Or at least not without great training, or not as efficiently as terran telekinesis.
All of this really just depends on sources.
There’s a bunch of sources of Protoss moving objects with their mind without any physical means, which is the definition of telekinesis. Where Kelthar gets off is that there is no one specific text that explicitly says “this is telekinesis” except non canon sources like co-op and heroes of the storm, referring to Alarak’s ability that Kelthar says doesn’t count because Alarak takes drugs.
Can I see some of those sources, or have links to the posts that reference them?
There’s Alarak’s destructive wave ability, high Templar and Rohanna floating and this:
Nuroka:
~Alarak | StarCraft Wiki | Fandom
Gruu:
~Gruu | StarCraft Wiki | Fandom
And then what Lycan said: Your favorite character - #131 by derceinlycan-2459
Off the top of my head another is Artanis knocking Zeratul back with his powerup in their fight, but that’s kinda flimsy. I could possibly find more but what’s the point.
Those first two make it pretty unambiguously clear.
Protoss are naturally capable of telekinesis. Any further splitting hairs on that point is just ignoring that protoss in multiple ethnic groups (tal’darim and furinax tribe) are capable of what is directly described as telekinesis.
Is it possible that only certain tribes are capable of it, or it requires special training to do? Yes. But the fact remains they do have that ability, and members of their race very recently demonstrated it. Case closed.
Now that it’s closed, let’s theorycraft reasons why using Terran telekinesis might be more beneficial than using their own. I think a social, or otherwise diplomatic, reason makes most sense. Or maybe terran teeks require less training? 
Yep. That’s why the Protoss seems to not possess Telekinesis. No one argues that the Protoss can’t move object with their mind. The problem here is that the way they move doesn’t confines within the definition of Telekinesis.
We don’t. And I have already explained in one of my post (#133) that it’s clearly Gravitational Nullification Field. There is no way it can be Telekinesis by whatever definition of the word.
Here is a thing, nobody has Telekinesis. It’s not a real word describing a real ability. As such, I don’t see the problem if someone is to define it a bit differently.
Anyway, you’re the one who has trouble getting the definition. You keep insisting that the Protoss have Telekinesis because they can move object with their mind even though it was through physical means.
You mean Destructive Wave and Levitation? We already discredit those. Again, you need to remember that the definition that Gradius goes by is that there must be no contact nor any physical means.
The Destructive Wave utilizes Shock Wave or Blast Energy of some kind.
The Levitation is not Telekinesis by any definition of the word.
We already agreed that Nuroka use the same ability that Alarak use just in a weaker form.
I don’t see anything in the primary source for Gruu
Thank you. Now I know I’m not taking crazy pills.
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That’s consistent with the Merriam Webster definition of telekinesis. How else the heck would the object move if you don’t affect it via some physical means? Whatever goes on in your brain just makes no damn sense.
I drew the line at psi storm and mind controlling a marine earlier because their initial effect isn’t meant for moving objects, unlike a telekinetic blast or what you call a “shockwave”. You can draw the line wherever you want, as long as you prove that the protoss isn’t moving objects with his mind as per the definition.
I gave you that definition from the literal actual dictionary for the express purpose of you not misunderstanding/twisting it.
Needs citation.
Too bad there’s no explosions or shockwaves described there. Just Nuroka throwing Alarak against the wall with his mind. The Merriam Webster definition of telekinesis.
Not to belabor this again, but Gruu activated the warping mechanism in a power suit with what he called “a mental push”. Important notes:
Yeah, the definition of Telekinesis is that there is no physical means of any kind.
So if you admit that you’re using some physical means than it’s not telekinesis by your definition.
Okay, but you have zero problem when their initial effect is creating shock wave?
No, you can’t… The definition is clear. No physical mean of any kind, that’s where the line must be drawn.
What is wrong with you? You really don’t see that you’re the one who misunderstanding/twisting the definition? You’re the one who keep insisting that moving object via shockwave is NOT a physical means.
What? You never see how those cloth moves?
Too bad, you already agreed that it’s the same ability. You can, of course, backpedaling. In which case, I’ll adjust my argument accordingly.
Yes, a life sign of warrior in the frontline where they expect to be many action such as shock, vibration and other. You don’t design a ‘button’ that can be physical pushed by kinetic energy for that.
These are all red herring. Sure, the Protoss can’t temper with each other Psi Blade. However, the teleportation is another matter. It’s designed to save life. I’d not see any problem with it being manually activated by comrade. I’m willing to go as far as claiming that that part of the design.
The design philosophy is different. The purpose is different. This argument with the Psi-Blade is red herring.
Yeah if someone else can explain it to her that’d be great. I can no longer even.
I was going to make fun of Gradius again, but then I notice that Samariyu, derceinlycan and TheBentOne agree. So if anyone of you can explain the premise I’ll be grateful.
From my understanding Gradius is completely wrong and the fact is simple.
Telekinesis moves object without contact nor any physical means
Using Destructive Wave move object via Shock Wave or Energy Blast which are physical means
Therefore I conclude that Destructive Wave is not a Telekinesis
Can anyone of you three explain to me where I’m wrong? I’m especially interested in an explanation from TheBentOne. Your comments are always well reasoning than most.
I slightly misread Gradius’s original quote, but I was referring to what was said about Nuroka and Gruu. Both of their abilities are directly described as telekinetic. It’s unambiguous and a direct source.
I see. Well, you need to be careful when reading Gradius’ post. He often twists his source to support his claim.
I don’t have time to explain it clearly right now, but if you look up the primary source for yourself; neither portrait any Telekinesis.
Well, maybe if you squint just right, you might see Telekinesis being used, but it’s far from clear cut.