Gruu as I said is heavily implied to be telekinesis because of the wording and the fact that it fits the definition. Gruu moved something in the physical world by just using his mind.
The example of Nuroka from the Ascension short story is full-blown telekinesis. Not really up for debate. Since Spirit agrees this is the same as Alarak’s ability, and lore trumps gameplay in a lore debate, that means Alarak’s ability works the same way as in the short story (not vice-versa -_-).
Keep dreaming. I’d ask for your sources but as usual you never have any. I operate off evidence, you operate off emotion.
I’d like just once, not even in this debate, but in literally any other debate, for you guys to provide your own evidence for a change instead of just shooting mine down with argument from ignorance (a cowardly debate style that requires zero brainpower).
Every debate ends with me providing sources and you guys exclaiming “nope, not good enough” like children even though it clearly shows what’s happening like in this case.
You dont even bother to shoot ours down, you just flat out ignore it. Historically speaking, providing evidence has not done anything other than for you to double down and take pot shots at our intelligence.
Also, protip: dont pick some asinine hill to die on with an absolutely absurd position and then get offended when we hold you to a higher standard of evidence than just “its stupid.”
Now that I have time, here is mine take on Gradius’ ‘Evidence’.
It was the perfect opportunity. Nuroka had no armor on, no weapons that Alarak could see, so the Fourth Ascendant swept his blades downward and—
—flew—
—and slammed into the room’s east wall with a skull-rattling crash. He tumbled to the floor
hard but slid to his feet in a defensive stance. Fool! his mind shrieked.
His heart had no response this time. Nuroka was three links higher on the sacred Chain. He would never have made it there if he were not a fearsome fighter. And Alarak had just attacked a superior outside of Rak’Shir. That was one of the Tal’darim’s highest crimes, punished by death. An unpleasant, public, prolonged death. Yet even now Alarak’s body quivered as he resisted the urge to try to take the First Ascendant’s head for blasphemy.
Nuroka calmly watched and waited. He had no weapons. He didn’t need them. He had just hurled Alarak the length of the room with his bare hands.
From this passage, it’s more likely to conclude that Nuroka use some kind of Tal’darim’s martial art. Notice the last word say ‘bare hands’. Not with his ‘mind’. Nuroka is a far superior fighter (Alarak is more of a schemer). He probably grabs Alarak and hurl him across the room.
As for Gruu, the comic isn’t clear either. He said ‘Mental Push’ and Gradius took it to mean Telekinesis. While it’s possible that he is right, it’s more likely that he’s wrong.
For one thing, there should be no button ever. The teleportation system shouldn’t be operated by kinetic energy of any kind. You don’t want it to accidentally activate by environment of the battle field. Moreover, we know that the Protoss’ design does NOT involve button. I can’t remember where, but it was stated that the Protoss use intricate hand movements and psionic energy to control their ship. That’s why it’s so weird for Gruu to mentally push any button.
Secondly… and I forgot my second reasons… Also, I have to go now, so if you’re still unconvinced I’ll try and dig it up.
No, you think that Nuroka use Telekinesis even though he could be using a weaker form of Destructive Wave. This is not about Lore vs. Gameplay; this is about two interpretations of the text. One’s supported by gameplay; the other isn’t.
Well, I hope you will examine your ‘evidence’ closely and try to understand it. Instead of just pushing whatever vaguely supports your claim (a lazy tactic that requires zero brainpower).
Seriously, you should be the first the shoot down your own evidence and only put forth those that truly support you.
That works? I actually check the source pretty soon after. However, I already claimed that it was the same ability that Alarak uses albeit weaker, so I don’t want to backpedal.
I don’t have time to properly check your new evidence right now and frankly it’s kind of boring. I shot Destructive Wave; you brought levitation. I shot levitation; you brought Nuroka. I shot Nuroka; you brought Guru. (I know it’s not exact order, but you get my point) And now, you brought Artanis… Seriously, how many of your evidence must I shot down before this ends?
EDITED: Never mind, I just check your video. That’s obviously the Resurgence ability (Forgive my English if I misspelled). The ability description that is Energy Blast.
And yes, that’s actually one of the first thing I check when this discussion started.
How could you make a link with time stamp? That’s impressive.
Karax asks Artanis if he had equipment upgrades that he didnt know about after the fight, and the glow left behind is consistent with the visuals from some of their psionic storms and similar psionic explosion abilities. When we actually play as artanis later in the campaign, it is also described as an “energy blast” on the unit card, which isnt really consistent with telekinesis.
It’s sad that you guys are going to keep being completely unreasonable about this. You have a direct cinematic of Artanis blasting away zerglings with his abilities.
Back to my original point, the problem with copping out to “it’s technology” is that StarCraft: Evolution is based on finding a telekinetic terran so that their telekinetic technology will work. If their telekinetic technology already works, then what the hell was the point?
Why are you talking about gameplay in a lore debate? I don’t care what ability it corresponds to in-game or what the gameplay cue card says. Marines can’t shoot down a battlecruiser.
It’s not a psionic storm because we see one later in that cinematic. The afterglow is from the back of Artanis’s suit (his power source). There’s no energy around the zerglings themselves. It’s literally just a direct cinematic depicting physical force throwing the zerglings back.
God could come down from the heavens and say “protoss have telekinesis” and it wouldn’t be enough evidence for you.
And the description for said ability calls it an energy blast. Not sure whats particularly controversial about this.
If somebody does a thing, and then we see that thing replicated in game with a description of the exact mechanics of whats going on, thats what is known as “evidence” Gradius. It doesnt stop being evidence just because its against you.
Alternatively, its an energy blast like the visuals correspond with and the description directly calls out.
I really dont understand why you think arguing that things should make less sense is somehow compelling. I get that you, personally, are determined to tear down the story by any means necessary, but you arent actually doing that when you have to argue for a specific interpretation that creates your alleged contradictions in the first place. You do that every single time. “Thing X is stupid and contradicted in the lore. Look, here are these things where, if you squint and make some assumptions, contradict this thing.” And then when we respond with “Well you could just not interpret them in a way that makes a contradiction.” you act like its some sort of outlandish crazy thing to look at the story in a way that causes it to make sense instead of one that doesnt.
Dude…it doesn’t matter that it’s called an energy blast in a gameplay cue card. It’s still telekinesis. Kerrigan is telekinetic and uses “energy blasts” too.
It’s the writer’s job to make the story seem plausible and consistent, not my job to stretch my suspension of disbelief so far that I have to ignore how things are clearly portrayed.
There is no explosion there buddy. There’s only a light source from Artanis’s power source behind his suit. When he warps out, that’s an actual explosion. Your grasping for straws is ridiculous at this point.
Whatever, I give up. You’re being completely unreasonable as per usual.
Did you actually watch the video you linked at all? Theres a freaking flash of light and a big glow which, contrary to your assertions, is not actually coming from his power source (Pause it at 1:33 and you can see that it is coming from his lower torso, or behind and below that, while the “power source” for lack of a better word is well away and not glowing at all). On top of that, we freaking have the game calling it an energy blast.
How much more evidence do you need before youll accept that a spade is a spade?
Sigh. The glow is behind him, which means it’s not responsible for pushing away the zerglings in front of him unless it pushed him as well (which it didn’t). Therefore it’s not a freaking bomb. -_-
You don’t seem to understand that “energy blast” and “telekinesis” are not mutually exclusive. I’m perfectly happy to agree to call it a telekinetic energy blast.
Artanis is significantly more massive and stable than zerglings are. The protoss also in general have more tech to resist that sort of thing. Doubly so if it was a deliberate thing installed and practiced by Artanis.
And i dont really care what you call it. Youre trying to argue for things to fundamentally make less sense. Thats not a particularly strong case even when you do actually have evidence that supports you.
We’re talking about the fact that if something is a ‘Energy Blast’, then it can’t be a demonstration of ‘Telekinesis’.
We’re not talking about whether Kerrigan has both Telekinesis and able to create ‘Energy Blast’.
I did, too. Until you bring up that definition from that link. If you’re going to define Telekinesis according to that website, then you must adhere to it.
And by your source definition, the two are mutually exclusive.
I can appreciate that you try to problem-solve and make sense of the lore. That’s great. Unfortunately, I don’t have your level of suspension of disbelief and I can’t sit there and watch high templar float or Alarak/Artanis throw enemies around with their abilities and say “yep, the media never portrays Protoss as telekinetic”. If you can, that’s great, but you shouldn’t bring that opinion into a forum.
Again, the onus shouldn’t be on me to suspend my disbelief to pretend contradictions aren’t there, it should be on the writers to craft a consistent universe. Especially when the universe already involves magical abilities and telekinetic space gods. My suspension of disbelief can only take so much.
^–will someone explain to her that Artanis pushing back zerglings with his abilities is an example of telekinesis before I go nuts?
Gradius, you being unwilling to suspend your disbelief isnt a problem with the story any more than you being unwilling to change your assumptions when they lead to faulty conclusions is a problem with the story. Its just you being a whiner.
Yeah, well, while a number of people agree with you they’re not interested in explaining to me why. And these people aren’t voting fairies, either! Trust me this annoys me far more than you.
Like seriously, all your evidences are wrong. It seems to me that if you just think about each one of them for a minute, you’ll clearly see that none of them are a portrait of Telekinesis.
The Destructive Wave and Resurgence are energy blast and thus not a Telekinesis.
Nuroka is a Tal’darim martial artist.
All animations of Protoss’ cloths consistently show that it’s Gravitational Nullification.
Gruu can’t activate the Teleportation System using Telekinesis even if we are to assume that he had it.
Do I miss something in all/any of them? Really, Gradius, one of the reason why I love is because you could never shut in telling me why I’m wrong. Even though, you’re annoying in the way that the Emperor perfectly described.
This silence is driving me nut…
EDITED: I realize that this may seem like I’m asking you guys to speak up; I’m not. If you guys want to silently support Gradius, then that’s your right. I’m fully aware that this is my problem and I have to deal with it.
I never said it wasnt telekinesis (dont confuse my arguments for Spirit’s) just that it wasnt telekinesis in a form that the protoss can weaponize. Protoss can lift themselves, but the only time theyve lifted anything else conclusively was with an explosion or other form of chain reaction rather than direct telekinesis.
Protoss levitation is also supposed to be a function of the Khala, although that is clearly not true since High Templar manage to keep doing it after losing their nerve cords.
Finally, that video shows the proto-nerazim using warp blades, which werent invented at the time, so its clearly at least in part artistic rather than literal.
