We are still at it? Okay, I’ll just point out real quick that when the High Templar moves; it’s very strange. We saw their ‘after-image’ or something. We know that this is inherited to them moving around not just any movement. Noticed the lack of ‘after-image’ whilst they’re moving their hands.
I hypothesize that it’s a short range warp. No, I’m not going to die on this hill. Yes, by Gradius’ personal definition, it’s a Telekinesis, but then… what isn’t?
Oh my god, Gradius, your profile pic is back.
How did you do it?
He explained it at Post #209. It’s an alternative account or something.
Their absolute ignorance to issue this simple describes how much they care about us at this point.
Respect to the skeleton crews though. Especially HotS people.
Since I’d like to wrap this up some time in the next decade, time for a recap.
High Templar (and presumably some/many Khalai) move themselves via telekinesis. All parties have agreed to that.
Alarak’s destruction wave knocks units back. Literally called telekinesis in other non-canon Blizzard sources.
Alarak stopped a charging zealot in its tracks and threw him back
~https://youtu.be/x-be46la0Y0?t=24
Artanis force pushes a bunch of zerglings off of him. The light in the background went off 2 seconds before the force push and presumably has something to do with his resurgence ability (restores shields and HP).
~https://youtu.be/QJQu1ytJlMs?t=89
Telekinesis can have broad or specific definitions, but the above are clearly examples of telekinesis, functionally and even aesthetically. Therefore:
This statement is incorrect.
And so is this statement.
Any objections?
Fixed that for you.
telekinesis - the production of motion in objects (as by a spiritualistic medium) without contact or other physical means
Where do you see “application of a net force” anywhere in there? It SAYS production of motion, which can be created by the removal of a force as well as the application of one. If I sent you flying off into space because I removed gravity, I have created the production of motion. Not that hard.
This may not be YOUR personal definition of telekinesis, and honestly it’s not mine either other than for the purposes of this debate, but damn, learn to read a definition.
Nullifying gravity wouldnt send me flying off into space though. Inertia would prevent that even if you waved a magic wand and erased gravity entirely. I would need some other force to act on me before that would happen.
We happen to have other forces acting on us at any given time (again, inertia being the most relevant one here) that might send me off into space, but at that point thats not you telekinetically moving me, thats me bouncing off the Earth now that nothing is stopping me from doing so. There is very much a physical force involved.
Many, but you havent responded to them the last dozen times i raised them save to dismiss them without addressing them, and i dont see this time being any different.
It’s in the physical means part. I just get it now. You really are too stupid to understand the definition. Now, I just feel silly for always thinking that you’re three quarters as smart as you think you are.
It’s pretty clear at this point, there are something in your mind that blocks you from understanding stuff that contradicts you.
Your latest evidence (as of Post #225, who knows how much Gradius will bring up) clearly shows that Alarak creates a psionic bomb. You even admit that many of your example is energy blast.
Somehow, despite understanding that you still think this is confined with in the website’s definition of Telekinesis. What is this? Cognitive impairment of some kind?
Do you see any difference in the following sentence?
Telekinesis - the production of motion in objects (as by a spiritualistic medium) without contact
Telekinesis - the production of motion in objects (as by a spiritualistic medium) without contact or other physical means
I truly am amazed that you guys somehow stretched a debate about Protoss telekinesis to over 150+ posts. What the hell is wrong with you people not calling it quits at like…40?
I dont see anybody coming up with anything else to talk about
We’re all crazy, bored and has nothing better to do.
That is very true. 
Every time I pop in here now and then, I just see this debate extended another 20+ posts.
Now that you’re here want to chime in? Who knows maybe it will lose you your face!
Nah…I’m good. Knowing about how Protoss telekinesis works sounds like EU stuff.
Like you just said, physical forces are always acting on us at all times. That’s true for ALL telekinesis examples, which means it’s irrelevant. If I cause something to happen that normally wouldn’t, it fits the definition, even if it’s indirect or consists of removing a physical force so that another force has a larger effect.
Even Bifrost agrees with me on this. The anti gravity designation is superficial.
Sure, that’s why this debate is 200 posts, because I’m just flat out ignoring you. Like… what?
You have clear, obvious examples of telekinesis. If you have nothing but the same vapid bull$hit excuses that boil down to “I can’t admit I’m wrong”, I’ll take that as a win.
“But it’s an energy blast” in no way invalidates that it’s telekinesis. It’s literally a mental kinetic energy blast, but now I know you don’t understand definitions either.
No… that’s just referring to the fact its a mental power. Again, the object wouldn’t move if you didn’t affect it physically somehow. You’re so clueless it’s insane. I can’t believe you’re a physics major or whatever it is you do.
All my examples above are from the game. Just watch one and tell me if it counts as producing motion in an object without contact or physical means.
Thats… no? In a frictionless vacuum (something something spherical cow), if you just turn gravity off with magic, you arent going to be moving at all unless you were already in motion before hand, in which case it isnt the antigravity effect thats moving you, youre just moving completely independently. Thats not at all telekinesis. The motion has to be the direct effect of whatever youre doing to them by your own words.
Yes. Thats pretty much exactly it. You keep repeating the same points over and over again, sometimes in superficially different ways, and then getting surprised by i keep sticking by the same arguments that you arent addresssing.
If they don’t move then it’s not telekinesis. Simple. Removing gravity in an environment with no gravity doesn’t do anything. Why even use that as as an example?
You’ve yet to explain how your excuses disprove that it’s telekinesis. They’re not false, just irrelevant.
That doesnt mean it is telekinesis if they do move. And i didnt say there was no gravity in my example. Well, until we magically turned it off.
Artanis is an explosion, and theyre being flung by the force of the explosion. Your alleged discrepancies are entirely consistent with other psionic explosions, as well as the freaking gameplay description of the ability that you yourself agree is probably happening there.
I dont care about the Tal’darim because theyre all enhanced with Terrazine and therefore cannot serve as examples of normal protoss even if they do use telekinesis.
And regular protoss have been shown to use levitation only with no indication that any of them can use telekinesis in any other way, which is consistent with the description of Evolution that telekinesis manifests very differently in protoss and terrans, and therefore does not prove what you think it does.
If your mental powers caused a motion that wouldnt have normally happened, then it’s telekinesis. If nothing moves, then you can’t go into a debate and say it’s telekinesis.
Again, how does this prove it’s not telekinesis? Why should I care about your arbitrary distinction that it’s a telekinetic explosion instead of a force push? Please relate your point to my point. Your argument does not address my own.
The gameplay can call it a fire attack for all I care, the cinematic shows Artanis pushing away Zerglings with some sort of invisible force. That’s telekinesis. Stop denying existence.
I don’t care that you don’t care. How is what we see not telekinesis?
Maybe if you could prove the drug gave them the ability and that they couldn’t do it before you’d be going somewhere. That would be actual evidence for your position, which you never frickin have. But I’ve given you non Taldarim examples of telekinesis too. Stop denying evidence.
Artanis. And did you not just admit that high Templar moving is telekinesis?
If they have such mastery over it that they can use it constantly in battle passively, it’s not a stretch to assume they can do what Artanis did with it by just trying a little harder.
I never denied it would manifest differently in Terrans vs. Protoss. That’s obvious. Terrans don’t have the void or khala for one thing.
I just thought it was a dumb premise that they needed a telekinetic Terran when Protoss can do it easily.
That’s when you told me Protoss telekinesis is rare and not weaponized, which is freaking bull$hit and you know it. All because you have a conniption every time I imply the story is less than Shakespeare.
But now youre changing the definition again. Antigravity isnt causing the motion. Newton’s Laws are causing the motion. Antigravity is just eliminating a stronger force that would have opposed the motion that is existing anyway.
Ok, so if i set off a bomb, thats telekinesis. Got it. You know Gradius, the more you talk about this, the more Spirit looks like theyre right. You really are just being inconsistent and self-contradictory to avoid admitting that youre wrong.
Artanis doesnt use Telekinesis, he uses an explosion of energy. Freaking pay attention.
So easily that there are literally 0 examples of khalai or Nerazim moving other objects with their minds.
Yeah, i do have a conniption every time you make up crap in order to trash the story. If you want to find a flaw, find a real one, not something that you made up on the spot in order to start a fight.
But the ultimate cause is still you. If I saw a boulder sitting on a cliff and used my mental powers to remove the cliff, Newton’s laws would make the boulder plummet, but I’m the one responsible.
If you did it with your mind, sure.
Fixed that for you.
It’s an invisible force moving objects. Tele freaking kinesis. -_-
High Templar.
Doesn’t he telekinetically use the disc himself in the book too?