If I started levitating with anti gravity or hit someone with a kinetic “energy blast”, it would still be telekinesis. Period.
The only difference with Kelthar is he thinks Artanis blasting away Zerglings at the temple and Alarak’s ability isn’t telekinesis because it’s an “energy blast”, yet high Templar floating doesn’t count either because it’s not “weaponized”. How the hell do I make progress in this debate?
If you spent 100+ posts explaining a basic definition to someone and they fight you tooth and nail for the entirety of the time because budging on the simplest most basic issue is inconceivable, you’d be a little obnoxious too. It’s easy to maintain your sanity when you don’t actually engage in protracted debate.
I’m actually pretty chill in reality but the fanboys on this forum seem to bring out the worst in me. I need a vacation.
It’s sad you think that’s technical. Yes, they’re very similar but unfortunately the differences between the two are pretty crucial if you actually want to make an intelligent point. But I won’t engage you further on it since you’re impervious to logic and critical thinking.
Does it count as moving things with your mind or not?
…and then you woke up from your delusion.
Let’s be real, ignoring valid evidence with arbitrary excuses is the only thing you win at.
I’ll throw you a bone. You’ll know you beat me in a debate when…well, actually you won’t, because I don’t stick around. I leave and wait for the topic to die because I don’t like being wrong. It’s not like you never got me on anything, but unlike you I don’t stubbornly persist in my error.
When I double back at you like an attack dog… that’s because I’m dominating and happy to drag the debate out for another 1000 pages. You’ve picked a really stupid hill to die on here, and the longer this goes, the dumber you look. But if that’s what you want, cool.
Forgot I had an account linked to a different email & game. Comes in handy at times.
That was never in dispute. More direct telekinesis would be high templar levitating, but Kelthar claims that doesn’t count because it’s not weaponized.
He changes goalposts any time you provide any sort of evidence.
No, it’s not. And you look so incompetent for keep insisting that it is.
I’ll keep repeating myself until you’re able to catch up. You shot yourself in the foot by using that web as your definition for Telekinesis.
If you use other definition, it would have been fine. In fact, you don’t even believe that definition yourself!
Yes, but not by that web definition. Your definition is actually moving stuff directly with your mind, plus these other arbitrary exceptions that I think it’s fine.
And anti gravity is NOT levitation. You don’t move stuff or insert any force; you just turn off gravity, but that’s probably too advanced for you.
Well, they’re both longitudinal wave travel in radial direction from a source, which is all the similarities I need, but that’s probably just me.
I respect Kelthar, I don’t worship him. If I think he’s wrong, I’ll fight tooth and nail against him… Well, until he soundly defeat me. In which case, I just tap out. I don’t mind being in the wrong.
Anyway, my definition of insanity is discussing a make up ability in the video game for anything longer than a couple of post.
Yes, it counts as moving things with your mind.
And it counts as Telekinesis by Brother Bifrost’s definition. Not by your website’s, though.
Ah, I always suspects that!
Or… and hear me out here this probably sounds stupid to you, but what if you just think that you’re dominating? And it’s actually you who looks really stupid? Huh? Is that a possibility?
It is. That’s the whole discussion, Gradius.
I’m not the Emperor, but if you don’t busy straw man him, you will know that this is not exactly his point. The problem here is that the ability can only move thing up. Not only that it’s not weaponized, it can’t be weaponized.
The Protoss still need help from the Terran, which is the very core of our discussion.
Anyone else envious that Gradius has a face now? Even his old post regain it!
Go back and re-read this thread then. I’ve been giving you that definition since we started.
It’s a pretty broad definition of telekinesis. If you can’t accept that, that’s your problem.
No it’s not. The debate is you guys denying that things are telekinesis because they’re not weaponized, an energy blast, or other flavor of random arbitrary excuse…as if it really matters how you moved the object with your mind.
I’m legit curious what constitutes “evidence of weaponized telekinesis” for Kelthar or “evidence of telekinesis” for you. What exactly does a protoss have to do, functionally?
Needs citation. High Templar use their telekinesis to move forward all the time. It’s in the game.
And then even if it was anti-gravity…it’s still a form of telekinesis. If you have anti-gravity abilities in real life, you are telekinetic. Period.
I think the difference is semantic at this point. I dont mind filing it under the broad umbrella of telekinesis, but i disagree that levitation automatically means that they can thusly just pick up any object with their minds and hurl it around. Terran teeks on the other hand are explicitly able to do that, if not necessarily for sufficiently massive objects or for long periods of time.
This is wrong though. Anti-gravity, like true and proper anti-gravity as opposed to just generating lift, would not be telekinesis at all.
In before “he’s on drugs so it doesn’t count” or “it was an an energy blast”. Not that it wasn’t, just that it’s irrelevant. You can’t watch this and say “yep, Protoss can’t move things with their mind”.
This is why I told you I don’t care what your definition is and why I copy/pasted the definition from the dictionary.
Like Bifrost said, it doesn’t matter what sci fi mumbo jumbo you dress it up as, moving things with your mind is moving things with your mind. It fits under that broad definition of telekinesis even if it’s not the same as what Kerrigan did to zeratul on the leviathan.
But again, there’s no evidence high Templar use anti gravity. They propel themselves across the battlefield, even at high speeds. They don’t just turn off gravity and float.
Ive already told you my position on the Tal’darim so i dont know why you keep bringing them up as if thats somehow going to change it.
Well anti-gravity wouldnt actually be moving things with your mind, as such. It would be the negation of an existing force, not the application of your own counter-force.
Your excuse for the TalDarim was that the drug gave them the ability and therefore they don’t count. But as we just established, high Templar have telekinesis, and Artanis has weaponized telekinesis too.
We have the whole gamut of Protoss moving things with their mind but you claim khalai are an exception, taldarim are an exception, etc. Who else does that leave before we admit Protoss are pretty good at telekinesis?
Accomplishes the same thing though: movement of the object via a non physical means. Fits the broad definition.
You havent established anything. Youre just ignoring my objections, telling me that they dont count because reasons, and then acting like i should just roll over for you.
Yeah, no. You either dont give enough of a crap to understand my arguments, in which case i dont give enough of a crap to make you understand, or youre just willfully arguing in bad faith. Either way, you dont get to then complain that youre making no progress in convincing anybody of anything.
No it doesnt. Anti-gravity results in a net 0 force or movement. You would need some other form of thrust to get movement with anti-gravity.
