You are Dumb as a hammer, no correction the Hammer is more intelligent than your stupid aass.
Youâre too stupid to even understand what Iâm saying. Stay in gold league and be quiet. If you understood the game, you wouldnât be in gold league. Too dense to grasp that, though. Keep worrying about one of the best units in the game ânot being good enough,â while you remain horrible at everything. Genius.
Capitalizing random words always makes you look Smart, ToO.
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You lost because that guy most probably made a mistake.
As as Terran in TvP you canât Mistakes, as Protoss you can, thatâs how the match up goes.
As a PvZ, it takes more skill. I can admit.
but in TvP, the Protoss dictates the match up, thatâs people who are champions are saying, not me.
Shut up dude. Youâre in gold league. Are you even better than 50% of the population? What in godâs earth would you know about not making mistakes. Jesus almighty man. Get a grip.
P vs Z is infinitely more balanced than P vs T. And Iâd disagree with Toss dictating the matchup. Thereâs this thing called all of your units are way better than mine, so I HAVE to take a third at a stupidly risky time, to even have a snowballs chance in h to win.
Balance team dictates I donât get to make carriers, tempests, and storm is too risky. Hmm. What should I do⌠oh, and if it goes late game⌠BCs will win 100% of the time. Large and in control. Bow to your master who is never allowed to win a game without getting a random nerf.
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Thatâs your only come back?
You literately have a problem with every Terran unit in the game.
I had to break it down to you, if your bad in PvT, itâs your own problem, not the balance team. Practice get better.
How about you adopt the same philosophy, given everyone is better than you.
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This Post is about Viking Redesign, not about your psychological frustrations about the balance game.
You came at my Post, insult me 3 times, tell me to shut up, because you have a problem with TvP.
I never said I am better than anyone, I want to practice get better, that 's it
You want the viking redesigned because youâre too much of a noob to realize how good the viking is now. You think it loses to every unit that it, in fact, OWNS, and youâre a simpleton noob that parrots storm is OP cause you prob have 30 APM and watch TV while playing.
I get it that everyone gets to have a voice, but you guys are beyond obnoxious. It takes an immense amount of being delusional to think you know what needs to be redesigned, while being objectively worse than the average player.
This is why this matchup is in such a bad state. The balance team is no better than the Terran proposing random buffs. It irks me to no end to think these guys are on the balance team and they were going to buff the viking cause of stupidity like this.
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The Forum is based on the idea that blizzard wanted to make the buff to 150 hp, but didnât go through, because of TvT.
I repeat wanted to correct for other MATCHUPS, but didnât because of TvT.
Than why are you complaining that "Nothing kills BC??
Why??
I am sorry I canât have a discussion like this, because you change your mind to many times, like girl changes clothes.
Storm is fine . it has nice counter play in form of ghost and is P identity. what makes storm broken is:
A) storm drops .This prevent emp and nullify HT weaknes of slow movment speed its broken as tankivac was.
B) Range advantage: tempests and disruptors (carier is fine you can shoot down interceptors ). they can force engagement on your terms and funel enemy in to the storms. enemy cant presplit army if they attacking.
Give back terrans range advantage they have to siege theirs units for it and forfeit map control. and keep your storms âŚ
So why is viking vulnerable to storms? they are force to go close to P army by tempest to defend libs that protect you from bullying disruptors.
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Why is T vs T viking wars, as is? Itâs the best unit. It couldnât be any more oppressive. How smart do you have to be to think buffing the best unit is a good idea?
I have to go mass phoenix, colossi every game now. A style I absolutely hate. I have zero choice. It is the only possible way to even think you can win in the air vs Terran. Vikings produce way too fast, counter way too many units, and snowball way too hard.
Every game, for now until I stop playing, this will be the only strat I ever do because Iâm not allowed to do jack s else, cause every Terran unit deserves to have zero weaknesses. It shouldnât be affected by AOE. EMP radius should be the size of the USA. BCs shouldnât be allowed to be damaged.
In Idiocracy, no one would have been dumb enough to make the tempest unit or think anything about this matchup is fair. Your race gets all of the anti air. My race gets a stalker. Give me a fâing break. This is universally dumb. Nothing in this universe is dumber than this matchup. Quote that.
I feel bad⌠I truly do. Cause if you struggle now⌠youâre boned. Absolutely boned. Oh yeah⌠when I tested the 40 libs in the unit tester the other week. The 40 libs killed 900 phoenixes a move vs a move. So, gotta make sure the other guy never accumulates more than 2 libs or realizes what one of his 100000 counters to phoenixes is.
Just need to focus on getting better so my 1k supply of units can beat 120 supply. Enjoy the SC 2 welfare.
âI have to go mass phoenix, colossi every game now.â
Than letâs help redesign some units, Mana also complained for several times about Colossi.
I feel like Tempest and Void Rays had to be redesign as well. I also love to play to protoss as well.
If you lose air war ⌠libs and ravens will kill your tanks = you lose the game. bio melts any landet viking
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Letâs agree that the Matchup is not fun for both players.
Sounds exactly like P vs T if you make any air units⌠I already tested it out and vikings own all Toss units at even supplies. If you lose the air fight, you canât warp in stalkers or zealots, cause the vikings beat those units pound for pound.
Does anyone realize just how broken vikings would be with a HP buff? Itâs like no one has any clue, especially the balance team, in regards to how units fare vs other units.
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No, only you have the power 
Why are you not having fun in this matchup? You know the Toss player is on a timer. All you have to do is survive. Youâre allowed to keep teching up and getting stronger. Toss just gets weaker and weaker, every second the game goes on, until the point where a breeze would decimate a maxed Toss army.
Iâm invincible in P vs P man. Iâm using the same trash as them. If a guy masses stalkers, all you gotta do is survive to the mid game⌠cause stalkers are barely even passable units in the early game.
Being able to make units that have zero hard counters or soft counters. Units where if you simply have 3 of them, youâve satisfied a win condition, sounds fun to me until you get bored of winning.
- Thereâs a timing between a drop and Storm cast where you can launch EMP to prevent Storm, due to EMP being virtually instant (itâs a projectile with VERY fast travel speed)
- Viking has equal range as Storm (excluding Stormâs radius), which means Vikings can bully Warp Prism
- Interference Matrix can prevent Prism from dropping Templars completely
- Most importantly: safeguarding Templars in Prism is basically what Terrans were saying to Protoss: âLearn to split and protect Templarsâ, and now that itâs used, subset of Terran players cries that itâs OP and/or wants EMP to affect units inside transports.
Besides, Storm is basically whatâs keeping Protoss together as a race, and is basically a glue making certain compositions possible (such as Golden Armada; itâs the only thing effective against masses of air units which doesnât have 3 range). Nerf Storm, and Protoss as a race collapses.
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