The real problem with Zerg

General Discussion
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There is nothing new or innovative in early game, the game have 10 years, everything has been seen. The bc was massively buffed, that is the reason why it began to be used, there is nothing innovative in that

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How can there be when you just spam the queen key to counter everything?

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:rofl: If it were so simple, I would not have my mmr with protoss higher than with zerg being zerg my main

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Sounds like you need to brush up on Zerg basics. Spam the queen key!

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You seem like an expert. How many times did you play zerg?

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Enough to know Queens solve all problems.

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Mid Diamond Random playere here. I feel like the Mass Queens thing is true, but only because we have very limited other options to deal with it. I would love to not have to mass queens against such things, but these builds (The Non-Zerg Builds) are all build around the concept that they attack in the low tech stage for zerg, as our tech tree is slower unless we sacrifice economy. A change Iā€™d love to see is for Hydralisk Den to be Tier 1, and their upgrades remaining on lair. No one is gonna attack with unupgraded hydras as a rush (Or if they do, itā€™ll be interesting , but by no means counterable) and theyā€™re also not going to be able to afford too many as hydralisks are expensive. The upgrades on the hydra den will carry them nicely into the midgame as normal.

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Maybe they can give to Protoss/Terran/Zergs an extra counterplay to Queens by giving them a Tag?, Doesnā€™t matter if light or armored or whatever. Tagelss units are generally a pain to deal with. Actually the most drastic Protoss way of obliterating Mass-Queens isā€¦mass-Disruptors, but who is that protoss that goes Mass-Disruptor in PvZ?
No one.

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That is also a very popular idea, Iā€™d like to see them as light units. Gives Queens actual counter play. Armored would be a good change aswell.

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Like I very much agree that the problem is two-fold.It is almost undeniable at this point that mass queen is too powerful but Zerg does not have a solid replacement for the queen. I would love if Blizzard would just revert the queen AA range back to 7 but overall I think starcraft needs more aggressive fresh changes like moving hydralisk to T1 rather than changing stats here or there.

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Those extra queens are for creep and defense, not inject. Zergs use one queen per hatchery for inject.

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It would be a terrible idea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6pSgSvo5_4

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I love how all of this whining assumes Terran doesnā€™t win in the early game, but they do all the time. BNET forums loves to make up fake problems and whine about them.

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I donā€™t speak spanish, so this video is pointless.

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You donā€™t need to understand what he says. You donā€™t have to be a genius to know that prisms with imortals would be a problem

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And both Prism and Immortals were nerffed. Whatā€™s your point?

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LMFAO, you whined until the prisms lost their pickup range. You just bunch your happy go lucky Queens, snipe the prism and surround the immortals with lings. I know Iā€™m pushing the limits of Zerg strategy and thinking here.

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Which was unnecessary considering than smart-Zergs - Reynor (Ravager Sniping patrol that insta-killed WP) began to counter it regularly.
I have to give you this, if 90% of protoss nerffs were due to terranwhine, those two nerffs resulted from Zergwhine.

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I wont deny Terrans whine about Protoss. But to be honest, the matchup now is actually looking to be the most balanced and the best its ever been in years.

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What the fā€¦ are you talking about? its range was only reduced from 6 to 5 because it was ridiculous. You want to break the game again