I don’t think people get how queuing injects work. If you have a queen with energy for 4 injects then you’re behind 3 injects. You still have to queue on time to have enough larvae.
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False. Ty and Cure won one less TvZ than Maru and Innovation won the same.
Maru did not carry terran in IEM. And that is a fact. In offline qualifiers, Maru did not skew the winrate and it was 57%.
To say that Maru carried terran in that tournamet is simply false. I have provided enough stats backing that. If you want to keep claiming that, provide the numbers instead of making baseless claims.
Different patch. Terran also destroyed zergs with 3RR and GomTvT, we got over that, your turn to get over last patches. Zerg dominated, deal with it.
Now this is just ridiculous… Are you trying to deny that terrans actually win TvZs?
They won 56% of the TvZs. If you did not watch them, it doesn’t make it any less true. Want something to watch? Innovation vs Solar is a pretty nice example. Go watch it, there, you can see a TvZ won by terrans. And what, terran did not get into the finals. Only 2 races can get there, and terran simply did not. Losing in TvP also could be a way to not get into the finals, TvZ is not the only matchup…
Your arguments get denser and denser, worse every time. Outright false claims, backed by no data. All because of a bias against zerg.
You are just one more whiner.
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Its not winning the game, its being able to harass. Right now mass queens shuts everything down and allows Zergs to play a greedy style. There is never innovation in any matchup vs Zerg because its all the same. There has been more excitement in TvP over the last year than there has ever been vs Zerg. Zerg is not as weak as many people like VichelChaos point out.
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I am not saying zerg is weak. I am saying that TvZ is fine, tired of the baseless whine from terrans. But it seems that for you 56% winrate is weak.
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Right, everyone who voices their opinions is a whiner. There should never be anyone that disagrees with a Zerg!
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Crying with baseless fact is whining. Back your claims with stats from data, not from empty air.
“Maru carried the tournament for terran”. False. I proved it false with comaprisons to other terrans’ performance.
“Terrans underrepresented made that winrate”. Proved it falase by analyzing qualifiers.
“Look at reddit”. I did and posted the analysis.
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Ok maybe, but look at the ro24 + group stage winrates. You have to do it manually tho. Im gonna do it if I get time.
When you have mass queen you can’t spend that energy just on a single larva round, you have enough energy to queue them and energy for tumors, so a zerg never wastes the energy bank, its always useful having energy.
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Honestly, I might do it tonight if I get the time. I just got annoyed that terrans insist that TvZ is some kind of unwinnable matchup and that TvZ is what prevented them from winning in IEM when no data supports that. I get protoss complaining about PvZ. But terrans? They are doing fine. And the constant whine ends up getting to me. Most of the good arguments for IEM got debunked heavily.
First, Maru performed similar to other terrans. Not carrying the race.
Second, the argument that 56% is only because fewer representation is debunked by the winrate of qualifiers, where there is more representation of terran and winrate is 57%
Thirds, that zergs knocked most terrans out. Reality is, only a few of them got knocked out by zergs. It just happens that one of them is Inno getting knocked out by Serral (hardly surprising) and another one was Maru losing a very tight series 3-2 against Rogue that could have gone either way.
It just gets tiring, this time Bacon refused to admit any data that was presented to him simply because it did not fit the agenda and constantly denied it without providing any proof, with claims like “Oh but Maru carried the race” over and over. I got tired of shoving the stats in his face. This is the problem, people who refuse to admit that stats prove them wrong and make no effort. It gets tiring.
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That data is not relevant. I’m not taking winrates for one tournament and spouting it as law. Idgaf what winrates are per tournament, next tournament Terrans could be 20% and Zerg 75%, very volatile data. You can spew your 56% magic, but that isn’t how balance works and you know it. Zerg won all last year and just now won this tournament. People are getting bored, and all these Zergs didnt wake up one day and become slayers of everything Terran and Protoss.
Also really? Do I need to backup Maru carried Terran? There wouldn’t have been RO4 representation had maru not been there, again, race carried.
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Literally every Terran had a 50%+ winrate in TvZ except Awers, Cuddlebear and ZipperTheFly. So yeah…
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Because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
Fine, keep making blind eyes. It just annoys you that they don’t fit your narrative.
It is not magic. It is simple arithmetic. Do you want me to teach you how it works? It involves division, so it might get complicated.
And yes, balance is extremely related with winrate. Winrate shows the times one race wins against the other. There are more factors involved, but it is the purest form of comparison between races’ strengths. If TvZ was less than 45% you would all be losing your minds.
And what? Terran won a lot in other patches. It is a different patch.
Slayers of terrans? With 56% winrate? If anything, it would be the other way around.
Yes.
And if zest wasn’t there there would be no RO4 protosses. If Rogue wasn’t there there would have been no zerg finalist. Etc. That argument is baseless. If there was a significant difference in performance between Maru and ther rest of terrans, then you could say that Maru carried the race, but most of the terrans did nearly as well as Maru, specifically in TvZ. Innovation had the same winrate as Maru, just lost one stage earlier. Cure and TY didn’t make it by the skin of their teeth, and other terrans had similar winrates in TvZ. You have to compare performances between different terrans, not just make a random statement about representation in one round without taking into account the performance of other terrans, which is exactly what you did.
So yes, use data.
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Until which league do you expect to arrive by copying a stupid build? Is that league not enough for you? I think is time to learn to play sc2, but it will not be easy
Kind of like how you Zergs ignore that multiple Zergs turned into champions whereas Terran and Protoss are just here twiddling their thumbs like well ok. Even artosis said on the pylon show that when Zergs get to a point what does Terran or Protoss do? You ignore others plights and just defend your broken race.
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Then play without mass queen.
Again, there has been a patch to fix just that. Whatever happened before is irrelevant. You are just annoyed and pay it off against zerg.
Artosis also compared Serral to Flash and pretty much said that a huge amount of those wins were him being superior.
You call it broken. The TvZ winrate says that it is far from broken. But well, everybody is free to believe what they want. You simply cannot deal with the fact that Terran does not currently struggle against zerg. And you are going to have to deal with it sooner or later, because it is a reality.
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You defend your broken race so valiantly, but you know as I do the nerf bat is coming. Hopefully this time they give some meaningful nerfs so that other races have a chance. Right now, we all just predict which Zerg will win, and its even fun counting how many queens the Zerg will use to defend! I mean the build diversity among Zergs is one to be awed, will it be 5, 7 or 10 Queens??? Such a fun game.
With you whiners there is always something to complain about. If I don’t take out any queen and you still lose what are you going to blame later?
Probably nothing. We could you know, have different build orders and strategies since the Queen wouldn’t instantly counter anything new and innovative.
that is only true if you have 1 queen per hatch, but zergs are getting like 10 queens. So, you can just double stack injects so that you basically never miss an inject.