Whaaaa whaaaa the big bad BCs can one shot my massable macro mechanic that does damage and makes me invincible early game . Nerfed Yamato to 100 seconds.
Whaaa whaaa BCs can instantly teleport and can contest Zerg lategame. 1 second delay added to give Zerg a chance to kill or fungal them.
Whaaa whaaa reapers are so op whaaa whaa. Grenade loses 5 damage.
Whaa whaaa Protoss immortal allins are as unstoppable as my queen defense! Nerfed prism pickup, killed archon drops, killed immortal allins.
Whaa whaaa Thors kill mutas as badly as mass queen kills almost all Terran build orders. Javelin radius nerfed, loses 1 armor.
People wonder why Zerg is so strong and it’s because of this, if mass queen cant handle it, its broke. What did all these builds have in common? Mass queen couldnt defend it. What does Blizzard do when mass queen cant handle it? They nerf the entire strategy or unit used into oblivion.
Zergs early game needs to be punishable when they go for insane greed. You can do this by making one queen per hatchery or toning down queens range, requiring a evo chamber for spores.
I do not believe Zerg is inherently broken, but I do however think some builds that were strong vs Zergs are made much less so by Queens and the spore change. With Zergs ridiculous level of scouting even if you catch it late you dont need an evo just plop down a spore, banshee and Oracle taken care of by time it arrives! Dont even want to drop an evo? Great, just make another round of queens and your golden. 2-1-1? Queens,
1-1-1? Queens + spore, Zerg itself is not honestly that broke, it needs minor changes to make harass for Terran and Protoss work better. Spores were removed from evo requirement for libs, queen range was buffed for libs, but now the lib is a far cry from the unit it was buffed to counter so now it is time to go back on some early design choices for Zergs early game.
Wait for next patch when they nerf glaives adept (again) because Serral couldn’t mass Queens/Spore to defend against them at IEM even though Rogue proved in the same day that Gold league cheeses can kill the build before it even begins. The rule of thumb for Zerg balance is
Is there an aggressive build in the current meta that punishes early greed? No? Amazing.
If there is does it require a brain to counter? No? Amazing.
If it does - Alert! Alert! Queens should be buffed or build should be nerfed!
Seems like for the past 1-2 years blizz balance team has made it their goal to make early game Zerg look exactly the same in every game of every matchup. Zerg has become the copypasta race.
And yet we got 56% TvZ winrates in IEM. Clem, Heromarine and Uthermal did not lose a single series against zerg and still got knocked out, hence it was mainly protoss killing terrans. In online qualifiers and offline brackets, TvZ winrartes sat at 52.5% and 57% respectively.
About representation, lets see:
Polt got eliminated by Special and Harstem. No zerg to blame.
Taeja and Dream forfeited their spots. No zerg to blame.
The only “Reasonable” terran that got knocked out here and that had something to do with zerg was bunny, who lost one series to Nice and one to Soo.
There arent enough Terran in the higher brackets. Smaller pool of players = larger win %. If you got Maru winning it all since that is what it was, his few wins inflated the win percentage at IEM. This is discussed o er and o er again at great detail on reddit.
For that exact reason, the early stages of a tournament are more important than the later stages, since the larger amount of players have a higher impact on the win ratio. Still, we have terrans cry over zerg wins in tournaments, even if theres a 57% winratio for terran at a tournament.
1-In the online and offline qualifiers TvZ sat at 52.5% and 57%. That is not Maru inflating the winrate.
2-Also the winrate of 56% is not purely inflated by Maru. Maru’s TvZs account for 3 of the 12 TvZ’s played in the group stage, and one of them he lost. In the round of 12, Maru only played one TvZ and lost it by 1 game out of 5. In the round of 24, Maru won as many TvZs as Serral ZvTs, making their performances here balance each other out pretty evenly, deflting the winrate pretty much the same fashion. You could even argue that Serral inflated ZvT more than Maru, because Maru ended up losing to a zerg while Serral had a clean record against Terrans and ended up dropping to a protoss. As I said, Clem, Heromarine and Uthermal didn’t lose to any zerg.
Fact is, terrans are not doing bad against zergs at all, no matter how you cut it. In this event in particular, Protoss damaged terrans much more than zergs. The only notable TvZs that were lost by terrans were one won by serral against Innovation which could not be unexpected and Rogue vs Maru that hinged on a couple of points that could have gone either way. For this tournament, terrans have no reason to complain about zerg.
Maru did inflate the winrates. Hes the only one that won anything. Same with Zest. SC2 is a joke right now. Fewer Terrans = higher win percentage. They all lost to the mighty Zerg all the same.
The stats do not say that. Serral inflated ZvT winrate more than Maru did TvZ winrate either way. That argument simply does not hold against the stats. Also, most of them did not lose to zergs. Most lost to protoss, except Innovation and Maru.
Check reddit and their stats. Second when you got artosis, Maynard and Rotterdam, all talking ng about the same stuff, Maru carried the race. The stats do show. You are going to try and flip them in favor for Zerg which you are falsely doing. Zerg has won everything and that nerf bat is going to come out nice a bloody.
I checked. And I am putting them here, you just don’t want to believe them. Also, I am putting those here but you just keep saying “check reddit” without any real numbers.
There. Those are the first ones. 56% TvZ winrate. What is flipped here?
https://liquipedia.net/starcraft2/IEM_Katowice/2020/Offline_Qualifier
Offline bracket 1: 4 terrans 1 zerg.
Offline bracket 2: 3 terran 6 zerg.
Offline bracket 3: 5 terran 4 zerg
Offline bracket 4: 5 terran 5 zerg
Total: 22 terran 21 zerg.
57% TvZ winrate.
What is flipped here?
You call it flipping because you simply do not want to admit it. The nerf bat will not be “nice and bloody”. You don’t like the fact that, despite TvZ being won by Terrans, they did not win IEM. You don’t like the fact that Protoss knocked off many more terrans in the tournament than Zerg. You do not like the fact that Taeja and Dream forfeited their spot. You just want to blame zerg because of bias. You hate zerg and want to make it their fault, when it is not this time.
The stats do not show that Maru carried the IEM. Maru won the exact same number of TvZs as Innovation, only one more than TY and Cure, in the whole group stage and playoffs. Maru carried nothing here. I am proving that with stats, if you want to say otherwise, prove it. With something tangible, not your own biased opinion. From the offline qualifiers, in which there were 22 terran players and 21 zerg players, Maru did not inflate the TvZ winrates and still it was 57%. Your argument does not hold up. You brought no stats to the table, only complaining when you have nothing to complain about.
Do some effort, because you are only showing your ignorance. The stats are not hard to understand, you either cannot or do not want to.
56% with one Terran carrying the race. Says literally nothing. Terran has been carried by one person the last 3 years. Also I did not see TvZ won by Terrans, if they won it they would have been in the finals am I right?
i see no point in trying to explain to forum trolls the main issues with zerg and the current meta of the game. the main issue here is the balancing team, failing to realize just how to balance their game in order to create more fun and dynamic games for all three races.
Sorry, you don’t get to win the game just because you made a unit in the early game. TvZ is already a joke on ladder and doesn’t need to be any easier than it already is.
Zerg should have the efficiency lead, but also should lose a ton during fights harash to compensate. Right now they have a small economic lead and can trade even with banes.
Old larva system was nice, good players had a ton of larva and bad players didn’t get enough.Now with inject queue almost every player can have the same amount of larva even during fights.