I didn’t play much of hots and once lotv came around lots of protoss were stuck in their ways. TvP is a lot simpler when you know what your opponent does from the getgo. It wasn’t a hard choice against disruptors and unnerfed tempests.
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Unnerfed tempests? Are you sure your recollection is steeped in reality? Well, if there is any inaccuracies maybe just the unnerfed tempest part. I played 12 games of beta and then I didn’t play LotV until like December of 2016: I never used a “good tempest.” I don’t even know what ability it had. Wasn’t playing, wasn’t watching.
If you went cyclone, banshee… I’m proud of you. It feels so good to be the one doing proxy reaper. How is this not a thing vs Zerg? It seems so risk free. Free money. Free MMR. What’s not to like if you bout that mech life? Seems too good vs all the races. The fact you can still be safe vs early pools is dream material.
2 rax marine is better and what the pro scene/Zerg using their brains already prepare for. It’s viking banshee, same concept. TY plays the speed banshee into mech style too.
I didn’t get speed. I like harassing early and then just trying to win fights. I saw the upgrade takes 100 seconds. Ain’t got time for all them seconds, especially when I have to get cloak first. Geez.
Mech seems really good, to me. Seems a lot better than Toss… I really think these guys use terrible builds but mech is so much better than they want to admit, that they do alright. It’s clearly way easier to mech in SC 2 than BW… yet that’s the only style in T vs P. Okay, mass tanks are far worse in SC 2, though, vs Toss.
For instance, you couldn’t pay me to mech vs Zerg in BW. Absolutely impossible. And playing like this is way easier than anything I’ve experienced before in prior game.
Early returns with the new chosen style vs Toss, but… it’s matching what I’ve said before and believed. The cyclone is absolutely busted. It counters every Toss unit in the game. With any micro or know how to use cyclones, it becomes the most oppressive unit in the game.
This is what separates Terran from Toss. If you micro your units decently, with Terran, you can counter everything in the game with basically any unit. With Toss, no matter how well you micro something, there’s inherent limitations. You can’t turn a midget into a giant. It is what it is. But Terran has unlimited “height potential.” Thus, Toss is incredibly weak versus “good opponents.” They simply aren’t able to unlock the steroid usage that Terran can.
You can go to a unit tester and see just how busted the unit it is. Try it with even supply/resources vs anything Toss… It’s undeniable that the cyclone is better than any Toss unit. It beats everything. Okay… I believe it takes a couple more supply of cyclones than carriers to win. I mean, come on…
In the history of the game, there’s been 3 units that can win every mono battle. Infestor, queen… and what people refuse to acknowledge/realize cyclones vs Toss.
My opponents, who are a higher MMR than anyone on the forum said I’d be able to get… are already decrying imbalance and remarking about how good the unit is. It’s nice to know common sense hasn’t gone completely extinct… You simply need to not die early, so you can reach a critical mass. Doesn’t appear to be the hardest thing in the world to figure out/do.
I want to say something that will sound arrogant, but I believe it’s true… Starcraft 2 is a strategy game, right? Most of you play like morons. You go around spreading misinformation, hahahahing about stupid memes or w/e… So, guess how you guys tend to play? Kinda moronic. Just generally immature people.
So, when you don’t play in a smart manner, every race will seem hard/impossible. There’s a lot of Terrans who off race with Toss and use my style. It’s the only way they can win… but after doing so, they now call the race “easy.” Well, guess what… If I mained Terran, and people started playing however I end up playing… everyone would probably think Terran is broken and easy, cause… everyone plays correctly or at least far better strategically.
It’s not all that hard to understand. And if a person can play “Toss mech” at a high GM level, then… we should have been smart enough to understand that said person could probably play Terran mech better than the expectations on this forum, especially when that person has already done so in a harder game…
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I get it, you are pulling a Goba here: performing a psychological experiment in a controlled environment (forum).
First you gain Playa confidence and then antagonise Playa just to see how he reacts.
If I was not Goba but a casual poster just dropped here i would think that You are Goba (like BatZ did).
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As was said in the movie Revolver: “You’ve got more tricks than a clown’s pockets.” Yeah… Ruminate on that sons.
I gotta be honest, playing as Terran has been as depressing as I figured it would. I mean, if anyone has any knowledge of BW and SC 2… the inflation of Terrans MMR is ASTRONOMICAL. I swear, Terran is the race that has gained the most MMR from switching. We’re talking many many leagues. Like pokebunny for instance, I believe, was a C- Terran.
QXC would mass games every season and be like 300-400 b-. Not bad, relatively, but… no where near close to the level needed to even qualify for a WCG USA. Then he goes to SC 2 and he’s a genius and all-killing. It’s the same story, across the board. It’s just massive inflation. More so than Venezuela. No Toss players have gotten better via switching to SC 2 that I know of. If there were any inflation for Toss, Nony would be winning the GSL, not struggling to get GM on NA.
Point is, it’s just so obvious I would have been way better with Terran than Toss. It just doesn’t really take any thought. Even if it does, at all, Terran is totally designed to win, whereas Toss just isn’t designed to win at the pro level without doing stupid stuff that isn’t solid at all. It’s just a feels bad man.
I’ve won 7 of my past 8 games. Playing vs 4500+ players mainly. My one loss was a 2 minute game vs a Terran. I have to work on my opening vs Terran. That’s the only matchup I haven’t quite figured out yet. I want to try thor, lib, viking. I feel like that should at least be good vs mech, given I’ve seen thors clown on everything, and mass vikings, the go to move… don’t do well vs thors… and I don’t feel like losing to that BC push again.
Check out a recent game vs a Toss who was 4700+ last season. This is a joke man. So I open banshee and I get unlucky and fly them into 2 phoenixes (rather they intercpeted me by chance) a couple seconds before cloaked finished. Then, I attacked a cannon with the other one, knowing I would lose it… and thus did.
I basically donated 2 banshees to start the game. Killed jack… Literally killed nada thing, and yet… I’m ahead in workers and supply? I then go on to just completely clown on the guy? Like these battles are a joke man. You’d have to be brain dead to think anything about these unit interactions is fair. It’s as one-sided as it gets. It’s just cyclones and banshees dancing on everything. Heck, I even used the dearmor thing on my own cyclones, and it couldn’t matter any less.
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What’s he supposed to do? Everyone tells me phoenixes are good… Imagine if my harass didn’t go as bad as humanly possible… Give us all a break. It’s a sham. I hope that it’s realized at the conclusion of this. It’s all been a giant sham man. Took literally 1 day to probably create a “meta worthy build” vs Zerg. It took a week to remember that banshee, cyclone is optimal and imbalanced vs Toss. Now, just gotta focus on T vs T.
There’s just no excuse to call this race hard. Play smart. Win games. Play like a moron and the game is going to seem hard cause… it doesn’t pay to be stupid when results are objective, unlike in society.
It’s very straight forward. Cyclone raven is a viable comp at GSL level… in TvT, in TvP sOs does a 1 base DT rush and clowns on you with zealot stalker as you’re in the fetus position even with mass BCs.
You can’t compare players from 10 years ago to today. We’re talking before people got more than $50 for winning a tournament, now you have games with millions in prize pool and suddenly the hours put into games dramatically increases and people get better (shock).
You watch expect vs butalways? dude did a 200/200 skytoss timing with +1 shields most games.
Every single Terran that I know of that played BW… is way better, granted they played at least a few thousand games. Even Avilo. He was C+. None of these guys were even good enough to play in USA tournaments, let alone qualify for anything. They weren’t GM in any universe.
It’s just too easy. Every unit is good and you have planetary fortresses that make late game defense an auto pilot thing. Your race defends itself… Then you even got sensor towers to tell you if anyone is planning on suiciding their units…
I’m just amazed at how dishonest everyone is. What kinda idiot can sit here and play Terran in BW and then complain about Terran in SC 2 with a straight face? That is a psychopath. Pure and simple. That is a psychopath who should never be taken seriously about anything. Absolutely embarrassing. I’m truly beside myself. What world are people living in?
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Like Flash, Classic and ForGG and yeah I don’t really care about BW… in regards to SC2 you’re on day 14/30.
Flash was rank 1 on the Korean server. If he played now and used mech, he’d probably clown on everyone. ForGG is an interesting one. I think that Terrans with pretty poor mechanics are benefiting a lot more than players who already had good mechanics.
It’s just so weird to play games knowing that every unit you make is good/has a purpose/utility. You’re given all the tools, in spades… yet… one whines? What baffles me is everyone has used the unit tester, right? How on earth are pros not testing out every unit and realizing cyclones beat everything, and thus leveraging that to… beat everyone?
I’m missing something… But, the question at hand is… Thrasher, am I maybe going to get GM within a month, with Terran? Have I been the actual mech god all this time? Are we going to have to call up Harstem and Beastyqt and tell them about Max’s first Terran creations? Could the Terran genius shilling be next? Exciting times, even if predictable times.
Beastyqt… you mean the guy that did mass cyclones to GM? Could you imagine him saying people are morons when he reaches 4.8k with mass sentry?
Given the public has never called Toss hard, in fact, the opposite, including himself, nah… can’t imagine it. I think when someone gets GM, though, with only making 1 unit… maybe people should take note. Where’s the GM series with Toss with only making 1 unit?
It kinda sounds like it’s a very dumbed down race… if you can just make 1 unit. What’s the point of even making anything else if 1 unit can do it all? (I get you can do void ray all-ins…)
I just want to understand how the warhound is better than the cyclone. I never used it. What about the warhound was more imbalanced than this? People do these rankings of units and they’re like “meh” in regards to the cyclone. “Let’s give it a C.” Terran players.
What attributes/buffs for the cyclone would a Terran player need to call it a good unit? Does it need 50 range? Does it need to do 5k instant damage? Does it need to be a little faster? Does it need to be invisible? Does it need a cool dance move? I don’t get it.
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Void rays. Maybe you were right all this time Playa… Except you were wrong that it’s exclusive to terran players.
The old cyclone transformed TvT into the clone wars… If you were talking about that period you would be correct except todays cyclone is seen in mass in TvT and TvZ only. It’s a simple fact.
LUL, go and tell to the terran moron GotBanned that taking Shields before +3 Attacka and +3 Armor is legit…
I don’t watch SC 2 tournaments. I just know when I see streams here and there, no one ever talks about the cyclone like it’s anything special. I rarely see mass cyclones vs any race. I haven’t seen any lists/rankings where the cyclone is ranked as one of the best units, even for Terran…
I’d like to see some mass cyclone games of T vs T. I feel like that should be really good, but every game I see… it’s just standard stuff. Bio + tanks.
+1000000000000000000
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“Players need to know that Terrans struggle in BW is worse than any they faced in SC2, even if they weren’t born yet…”
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