Switching to the reported hard race?!

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Alright kids. I’ve long solved P vs P and P vs Z, so only P vs T is left, but… given one can’t choose to only play P vs T on ladder, it means a lot of wasted time and annoyance.

Thus, for the next month or so, I’m ready to give in and play some Terran. Note: I never watch SC 2 tournaments. I have no idea what my Terran hotkeys are. I’ve played fewer than 200 games in all of SC 2 with Terran. I obviously never copy builds, to begin with.

Given all that, what should be reasonable expectations to achieve if Terran is actually “humanly possible to play for us mere mortals.” Like, aka, what should my MMR be after causally playing Terran for a month, when you’ve effectively “grabbed a random child from the Amazon who has never heard of SC 2 or w/e.” Can’t think of a more analogous thing. Apples to apples. Let’s not argue apples.

Place your bets/predictions and whether you believe Maxfraud might coincidentally create his first Terran genius build this month or not. The thought of playing a race where you have no understanding what is normal/has been done or not is kinda annoying, won’t lie. Not trying to end up looking like KingCobra and what not, you know. Or just “copying” the meta without even knowing. Mega yikes.

Will this thread become a thread of me agreeing with all of the Terran players and their endless agony? Or will Terran’s have to admit they’re bad and have been lying all these years? Lots at stake. I might be forced to never play SC 2 again. Feels risky. But body is ready, I guess…

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBCw4_XgouA

XD

May I suggest vibes bronze to GM series?

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Stream it. I’ll watch.

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Only if I get to be worshiped and as creative as the “other guy.” Aka… totally don’t have to have ever been GM with Terran or have any intention of being GM. “Hey Playa, teach me how to not play Terran.” No problem kid. Just don’t forget to donate for the lessons on how to not play.

People overlook the benefit of learning what not to do… There is value in that.

I’m not exactly the guy who is like I’m about to do something that I have no idea how to do, currently, aka might be the worst in the world, but… you know what sounds awesome? Inviting the world to watch me fail epicly. I’m about lifting spirits. You know, good guy Playa was born a cheerleader… but… the dude also has a spirit himself.

Basically, I’m saying if I ever die, I’m going to haunt everyone who tried to get me to stream my newb Terran. If one ever hears “I’ma report you on the forum punk,” that’s totally gotta be me.

I actually have streamed some Terran years ago. I actually did stream the bulk of all the Terran games I’ve ever played, which is kinda interesting given what I’ve just said. Always in congruence with myself. Take notes kids.

I’m going to be playing the comp today and learning hotkeys and getting an idea of what I want to pwn newbs with. I’m totally feeling just making cyclones vs Toss. I don’t know how anyone can avoid the urge to just make 1 unit that totally owns everything. Sounds awesome.

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This time around it is terran with a 57% win rate against Zerg. You should have an easier time. :rofl: :rofl:

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Lmao. Bruh. T vs Z was a legit nightmare. I blame T vs Z in WoL for putting the fear of the devil in me, which would be… Zerg. Traumatized.

T vs Z in BW was so simple, in essence. You spam marines. You stim and you attack. You watch your minimap. You win every game. Congratulations. It looks to be the same thing in SC 2, but then you play… and it’s like… the h is going on here? I’m sure it’s supposed to be a lot easier in LotV, with mines and stuff, so lings can’t just auto win vs everything and counter attack everything at will.

Please have mercy on my soul Zerg players. Where’s a disruptor when you need one… The good news is, I can’t do any worse this time around. Right? Please be right. Don’t make me run to the forums crying and blaming Protoss for Z vs T imbalance. That’s how us Terrans think/act, right?

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I wouldn’t worry about tvz, there’s no zergs left… Unless you are stuck in a pleb league like diamond.

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Let’s not call it stuck. Let’s call it first day of elementary school and I may or may not have peed the pants. A Zerg player most definitely beat me up and took my lunch money, though. I don’t promise the best stories. I only promise the true stories. Please suspend all Zerg players for this transgression. I beg you almighty Blizzard. It’s not right what they did to me.

One of them even emailed me and told me to put up a fight next time, because it turns them on. Real sick stuff going on, on and off the ladder.

Someone please explain to me what the h is going on in T vs Z. How on god’s earth is Zerg supposed to be worse vs Terran than Toss? Zerg also takes a third base asap… the baneling, alone, is better than any Toss unit. You a-move and then it blows up 200 supply. Pretty good.

The lurker? Obviously a troll unit. In BW, I feel like you could you know… attack it with an unsieged tank out of range. Kinda nice. In SC 2… nothing attacks the lurker. Instantly burrows and unburrows. Nice skill to have one would say. I’d like to learn it.

I feel like I’m supposed to have 100 bcs, given everything else seems pretty trash. I like this abusing mines business, but pretty sure lurkers outrange mines. Too bad…

I might be the worst T vs Z player on ladder. It feels like it should. Turrible.

On the bright side, you guys totally lied about Toss and Toss players. Typical propaganda that would make a world leader jealous.

Toss sucks. I dunno what to tell you. All their units suck. Even if they were to get ahead eco wise… it’s like fighting a paper air plane in a real air plane battle. You got like your modern jets and shiz, and they got a paper air plane that their 6 year old son made, while he just got done sniffing glue. I’ve seen fairer fights. All I’m saying, in a round about way.

The cyclone is too good, as I suspected. You make a unit with 15 range, to start the game, that’s more mobile than anything else and does 1 million damage instantly, and… you know… it’s kinda hard to lose. It’s kinda hard to not get in a position that you can’t call your moms in and have her play the game out, and then brag about how your moms done whooped their rear man. But, that would fly in the face of the Toss is OP narrative, so ofc we don’t do that. We could, though. Remember that we could.

All real jokes aside… I really don’t get it. The race clearly sucks. Terran units clearly have no counter. They’re allowed to basically take a third in their base, whenever they want. Can increase eco with no risk, while having better harass tools and a better straight up fight. If you lose that matchup, be proud of yourself. Special player. My feelings at least.

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Lurkers could stack at the top of ramps. Obviously you’ve never watched Artosis…

Are you higher rated than Vibe yet???

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In LotV, I actually started Terran at 4500+. Like I played a couple games and I was that (actually earned, not like starting at 5k mmr). The lib was a pretty good unit. Especially when you factor in I lost every T vs Z. If I played half as many games as Vibe with Terran in SC 2 and I wasn’t better than that… I can only hope that I’d do commercials on how to not play the game.

Like listen children… don’t become me. I did it all wrong. Don’t follow in my footsteps. Please… even copy Ruff’s builds. Do ANYTHING but what I’ve done. No one likes a loser son, unless… you stream your losses and then you’re awesome. That’s how it works. Logic. Reasoning. You’re not loser if you’re losing on twitch. All publicity = you the best.

If I don’t win another game in the next 100, I’ma have start streaming and coaching, to make people pretend I’m good. My soul will need it, if not already.

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That’s a lot of words when you could just say no…

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I try to get people lost in the sauce, to make them forget their own question. I’m a real politician. I’ve been playing unranked. I’m too coward for the ladder. I didn’t name one of my accounts pointsthief for no reason. I’m not out here trying to have the twitch bronze leaguers that they all are, stealing my Terran points. Not today. Not any day.

A lot of these guys like to be friendly to start the game. This ain’t some AOL chat room son. This ain’t a date. I’m trying to murder your virtual soul and rip out your face. And the only reason I’m not is cause Thrasher is a bad coach. I got all the skill. In spades. I take no accountability for being worse than a NPC.

No means no, but taking a lot of words to describe a no means… yes. The answer was yes. Control yourself habits.

Man, T vs Z in BW was easy. Unless the map was all ramps and chokes like Destination… it was just easy man. Like… it’s just easy vs 99.99% of people. It only gets hard when the guy is good enough to make it to ultras. And then… you say… GG god. Ultras transform all of us into gods. A transcendent being of omnipotent power, like every Zerg that plays vs me. I didn’t play vs Diamond leaguers. I played vs Serral, EVERY GAME.

Listen. I just played a guy who was chatting me up, talking about how he needs a friend to play vs Terran. He was acting like a nooblord, and then he took like every base. He took what should have been my 4thth. Two choices for me to take a 4thth, and guess what… he decided to take both of them.

I had 140’ish supply. My army supply was bigger. The guy’s creep spread was incredible. I literally played against Scarlett in diamond league, and it… had over 300 APM. I’m not making this up. That’s the level of “I don’t understand/get it.” He was like clowning on me man. He was only making lings and queens. It hurts to type the words I’m tryping. I don’t pain myself or no reason. I need sympathy. I was playing the hard race. Please feel me.

It finally happened. I told myself it wouldn’t happen to me. I wouldn’t become a statistic. Can never trust me again.

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Unranked? ZZZZ. Even Goba played ranked from the get go… What’s there to lose? 1 more terran in GM? meaning we can’t complain about the amount of toss in GM? Disappointed I was expecting you to already have an account in GM by now.

I did warn you about the diamond zerg leaguers shot down by imba protoss but I didn’t think it would be this soon. TvZ is a battle of APM and that’s why Terran players usually love it in comparison to TvP. Leave your brain back in BW and just play like Maru. 6 hellions 2 banshees, don’t kill the workers, kill the creep.

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That’s really interesting. I never would have thought to prioritize creep. That’s actually kinda interesting and completely backwards from my approach in P vs Z; I always send a fast obs out to Zerg’s choke, and I INTENTIONALLY never attack creep, just so I don’t give away that I have an obs. This is not a joke. That’s actually the main key to winning every macro game. Simply not attacking the creep.

So, this… intrigues me. That’s cool. Noted, coach. I actually gave up on the creep thing in T vs Z. I’m like f it. I’ll just make 3 factories. Mass tanks and mines and do mine drops, and if I force you to attack into me… then I guess I don’t have to clear creep? You can probably tell that I’m the worst T vs Z player ever. This is the reasoning behind the world’s greatest T vs Z failure. It adds up, I’m sure.

Also, when playing standard T vs Z or really any transition I guess, it ended up feeling like that in BW. It was like… you’re just making marines and medics. It’s really auto pilot stuff. Just microing and trying to do as much as you can. It was really boring in that sense. Monotonous. So, I can relate.

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
:zzz: :zzz: :zzz:
Goba fooled everybody but not BatZ that discovered that Thrasher is none other than…Goba.

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I currently have the game uninstalled. But I can reinstall it and we can play some games in a couple days, if you’re looking for Terran practice opponents. I have a couple TvP builds that I use but they’re not very refined yet.

My current winrates are TvT 60%+ TvZ ~65% TvP ~45%

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What on god’s earth do you do in T vs Z? Yeah, I’d appreciate any practice. Here and there, I practice with a 4.3k’ish Terran. Anyone who plays Terran is sufficient practice for me. I just hope it can be likewise.

At the MMR I’m playing at, I don’t think much more thought needs to go into things besides proxy reaper is good and cyclone is l33t. I hold these truths to be self evident.

T vs T. I remembered earlier that what I liked was simply opening mines into macro. And given it feels god awful to fall behind in air supremacy, I’m trying to go mines into mech I guess. Like 1 factory tank into 3 starport w/e. Seems good enough for w/e circus MMR I got.

T vs Z… Somewhere out there… there is a deaf, dumb and blind person whose only thought is “kill me.” That person is closer to solving T vs Z than I am. I wish I had empty head. Just bad ideas a brewing. I’m trouble. Watch out kids. I’m out here giving out MMR to children of all ages.

I kinda wish cyclones weren’t so good… because I love viking harassing. They’re just so efficient. Even if just 1 viking flies in… it’s just natural to be like “eh… that’s cute. Enjoy your stay/spying.” And then it just lands and instantly kills everything. Prob even kills the warping in stalkers. It’s like… was that 1 viking or 10 vikings. Looks vs feel thing.

Just add me via GM and ask for games anytime.

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If you max early enough with bio, Zerg will have a really rough time actually killing your army with just lair tech. So being able to have a maxed 2-2 bio army taking a fight off creep is almost game ending.

You’re going to just get broken by heavy bio play.

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i can’t wait, in 2 weeks time maru will have stolen ur build and won a tournament with it, he won’t even tell anyone where he got the sick build from.

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Playing a different race really highlights what I already knew. There’s really not a long list for people who could even come up a new build/way of playing. You kind of have needed to already tried everything. You kinda need to play against opponents who are good enough to exploit/punish anything that isn’t perfect/sucks.

Furthermore, you really need to understand the problems with standard play. If you don’t even know what standard play is… that’s far too much ignorance to be improving upon anything.

That’s definitely the fear/challenge. I feel like that is at least the premise, though: trying to do to make the bare freaking minimum of units you don’t care to, to not auto lose to bio, so you can maximize the “juicy stuff.” Aka, rage inducing bs for your opponent.

Pray for my ascension. Even more important than the rise of jesus, is the rise of my Terran MMR. It must rise and become glorious. Trying to join the fabled MMR club that no non streamer has managed.