I wouldn’t want to talk to me, even though I didn’t say anything bad.
Just move on
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^^ This
I mean sure, there are those who really liked the Zeratul nerfs. Even those who main Zeratul. However, it seems dealing with the backlash wasn’t worth it.
I guess to take a page out of the critics of the nerfs…
#LetsAppreciateMonkMore
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I don’t think it matters whether Monk feels like wanting to deal with us or not. It SHOULD be someone’s job to maintain communication with the community, and right now only Monk seems to fit that bill. If he doesn’t want to talk, they should hire someone else who does.
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Why?
what good would come from talking to the community?
If they don’t have any new content (including revamps) talking to the community is a lose-lose scenario.
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Monk and company wouldn’t have received so much backlash if they did a proper balance patch. It’s their own fault for the way they’re being treated.
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No company is obligated to have any communication with their consumers. You should be grateful we get what we do. They don’t owe us anything and thinking otherwise just comes off as entitled/spoiled.
I mean, if there was some dialogue right now at this very moment, what do you even think it would be?
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Probably a means to buff someone like Karax to make up for the nerfs, hue.
You’re right. Companies are not required to care. Good companies care, regardless.
I’m sooooooo grateful that Blizzard drops sudden balance changes, without giving any avenue for proper feedback, then goes completely silent for another half year.
Thinking that there is nothing to talk about means your product is irrelevant and/or uninteresting. If your game is worth talking about, there will ALWAYS be something worth discussing.
Just to humor you though, here are some items worth discussing:
Brutal +
Right now, Brutal plus is very RNG-heavy. I’ve done a couple of Brutal +6 games myself and the way to beat it is roll until you get a decent combination of mutators. It’s also worth discussing whether some of the mutators are worth tweaking as to mechanics, or point-assignment. For example, Diffusion still strains PCs more than the usual because of how it works. Then there are un-fun mutators like Fatal Attraction or Micro Transactions that most people would rather get around than deal with, when they pick commanders.
Commander balance
Since the team found it worthwhile to nerf more popular commanders, surely it would also be within their interest to buff some of the less popular ones. Han and Horner for example are extremely situational, and mistakes while playing Alarak are extremely punishing especially in the mid-game. Karax is popular for mutations but his role is mostly buff-ally-and-ask-to-get-carried. Surely they are worth discussing.
Map Changes
Most people still detest Cradle of Death, despite the original arcade version being one of the most fun to play. Having charges on trucks was the main concept of the map. Adding the constructs is a needless complication since the bases themselves are already thick with enemy defenses, and attack waves arrive to intercept the truck anyway.
On the other hand, people barely get challenged by Lock & Load. Most competent players complete it within the first 13 minutes.
Mutator changes
There are already topics on here that go into depth about which mutators can be improved with tweaks. You can check them out yourself. I imagine input from Blizzard devs would be much appreciated.
New mutators
It has been literal years since the last new mutator was introduced. There are good concepts for them; the problem is Blizzard has not talked about anything, so the community has not had the chance to offer feedback or suggestions of their own.
New Map/Commander ideas
Yet another topic that you can find in abundance in these forums. Even a single hint from Blizzard would pique interest in co-op and get speculation and excitement for the game mode. Literally any news is better than the complete silence we’re getting.
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If you want to provide feedback, use the forums. If you want to see if feedback has been implemented, just read the patch notes. Sometimes feedback makes an impact on the game and sometimes it doesn’t. I hope you’re not expecting Blizzard to go out and respond to each and every post. Just because Blizzard doesn’t respond to a bunch of whiny children doesn’t mean they aren’t listening and developing changes as we speak. Perhaps you should put yourself in a position where 99% of the forum you operate is just people insulting you and your product (that they continue to spend money on and play regardless). Frankly that’s every forum I’ve ever read anyway. Worthwhile, constructive, mature, reasonable feedback is actually pretty difficult to find.
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We need a map that can be won by good players in 5 mins, but still challenge noobs so it lasts 20
These “whiny children”, as you condescendingly put it, are usually paying customers who want value for their money. Running a business without any regard for your customer base is a toxic attitude to have and will turn off people who are passionate about your product.
People do in fact provide feedback daily on the forums. That was not the problem. The problem I mentioned regarding feedback relates specifically to the previous co-op balance patch where Blizzard gave no such opportunity for feedback since the announcement came within a few days of the actual patch, and no numbers were provided in the announcement post to allow players to test these changes and give good feedback in the first place.
To your point, I do agree that some of the feedback is way over the top, with one guy calling for Monk’s job. But that doesn’t necessarily invalidate the rest of the people’s concern, and is by no means a reasonable excuse for a professional to shut himself off from further communication.
Again, if no one on the dev team wants to talk, I believe they should hire someone whose job it is to talk. For me, there is no shortage of topics worth discussing about co-op.
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Try less than 24 hours, was it not?
Overall, I agree with what you’re saying. I would also like to add that if the co-op team were to make active communication with the community a regular thing, it could also help them to direct their attention where people actually are concerned. They could come to us asking what we think needs looking into, so that we get a patch people will care about, and one where they give us time to provide feedback.
However, I also have to admit that if they hadn’t been so hard and fast with the most recent patch, Zeratul’s cannons might NEVER have gotten the nerf that they really badly needed. And Zeratul probably wouldn’t be my most played commander over the last month as a result.
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I’d be more than happy to talk in the name of the dev team but I can see how that would suddenly turn the obvious and universal respect towards me into something less pleasant.
At least a good chunk of the forums can be described as hostile eho antagonized the dev team a lot.
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So again, I need to ask. How often has Blizzard communicated with the community in regards to co-op in the past?
This isn’t an MMO or really even something like Warframe that gets many updates a year. This is StarCraft, a game that requires multiple servers in multiple regions (ie continuous monthly bills that need to be paid despite no serious continuous monthly income), has hardly been known for getting content outside of expansions, and frankly doesn’t get enough new content to really warrant you needing to be talked to every time you need attention from the developer. The RTS genre is niche and unpopular, we should be grateful we have what we do.
Yes, most of the people on the forums are whiny children. They are not here just to complain and provide feedback, they are here to shove their own visions and patches and balance down Blizzard’s throat, and to threaten to quit if they don’t get what they want. Very rarely does anyone do these things in a mature manner.
All of the “problems” you listed in your earlier edited post, how do you know none of those things are being worked on? I mean, Brutal+ has already been patched twice since it launched, how exactly could that have been done if Blizzard was ignoring the community?
I made my own post about mutator changes. But that doesn’t mean I think I’m entitled to a response from Blizzard.
There’s a good amount of mutators, I don’t know why you’d be complaining about there not being any new ones.
Commanders have been released several times a year ever since Coop launched, and the most recent one hasn’t even been out for 2 months yet. What exactly are you expecting Blizzard to say? If and when there is a new commander ready, when have they not let you know about it?
Sure I’d love for Blizzard to say they are working on new maps, but I’m not going to QQ on the forums about it if they haven’t said anything. That’s something else I wrote about on here - new commanders bring in money, new maps do not. You really shouldn’t be expecting any new maps. The game costs money to operate and maintain dude.
I really just think you’re looking for some kind of “communication” that was never there in the first place, and not much reason to be anyway.
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I can just hear “Wouldn’t It Be Nice” play in the background when you say this. Man, I understand this all, I’d love to get to talk to the people at the dev team, to know they listen and check-in, to learn how they think.
But that’s probably a tall order, keeping guys just to talk to us. Can’t imagine the co-op team drowning in money.
When Monk was new to the job. The month before a big co-op patch there is a community post each week detailing changes to be made to each commander. Players had ample time to see the changes themselves AND provide feedback to Blizzard.
I disagree. If that’s what you think of people on here in general, then what does that make you, hanging around whiny children?
How do you know they ARE getting worked on? Wouldn’t regular community posts be a good way to achieve this? Not to detail progress, but just mention what general topic they are working on.
More interesting gameplay that is easier to achieve than designing all new commanders or maps.
Seems you completely missed the point of the examples I gave. You asked what there is to discuss about co-op and I provided answers. I am not demanding that Blizzard address every single topic on the forums or talk about the bullet list I gave. I’m literally just asking for them to let us know they are working on something.
There were plenty of co-op updates in the 2016-2017 period. If you started co-op in 2018, you might want to check out the frequency with which co-op was updated back then.
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Every company relies on a good relationship with their customers. It is obvious that Blizzard is lacking in terms of communication. How can people defend that?
I have a hard time buying D4 on release with how Blizzard presents themselves as a company here.
And there are always the low self esteem people who think they deserve nothing in life and everyone else is just “entitled”.
Fun fact: you don’t have to take every bs a company throws at you 
Grow a spine, it’s not “whining”.
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Okay, but who said they aren’t and where?
Alternative idea. There are people who realize the boundaries of what you have a right to and find people who overstep that and especially who act childish to be insufferable to some extent.
Certainly not, you can go on the forums and write short and quippy comments because that’ll show 'em.
That’s pretty rich.
While I agree that not all criticism, commentary and delivery is whining, some are. And I do think some are coming from entitlement, like “I have the right to have fun and others should adapt”. That ought to sound familiar given the fairly recent happenings.
In the meantime I find comments like ‘grow a spine’ amusing, not only are they demeaning, pointless and just all around silly, they will also likely shut down any attempt for a normal conversation. But hey, at the end of the day us two will always have a good conversation because we don’t take these personally.
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This kind of comment never makes any sense to me. It’s like the “we should improve society” “ah but you participate in society, so are no better”. Is a teacher a child because they are around them a lot? Is a mother a child for the same reason? Not to mention that this kind of comment is basically saying, that if you think people on the forums are childish you should leave. We are on the internet, people are childish literally everywhere, and you will never find a place where no one is ever childish, unless it’s nearly or completely dead.
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