I was only providing an “in-vacuum” one to one comparison.
In practice, the error is made by the player that they didn’t use something outside of lings/ultras. I mean if their choice go-to for Avengers is lings/ultras… AND they don’t use Super Gary properly… not much can be done there.
All the math was only to showcase even at a very poor deficit, they do ‘ok’ but only in comparison to ultras.
Anyway, the point of it lolz, isn’t to say Ultras don’t ever have a place. The point is that ultras have such few niche spots where they can even shine a little. My personal view is really just that they’re more for fun builds and not to be taken into use often.
Definitely not for someone who is new to Stetmann in general. So as a general rule, go for zerglings.
Sure thing. Although things don’t always go the planned way. Cases can happen where you don’t have Gary zone available and you’re out of stetzone.
Well, sure one uses E-gorb, but in a wave containing hybrid either all smaller units die and all hybrids gain maximum stacks or you target one hybrid and everything else gets the max stacks. So true, I wouldn’t make zerglings against avenger at all. I was just traing to bring up points to your sentence where you couldn’t really thing of mutators that stetralisk would be better than stetlings.
I’m perfectly fine when one ultra gets overcharged multiple times, as well as with 6 zerglings at the same time.
Every type of unit is good against something which other units are not that effective against. For example against heroes from the storm I would only create stetlings, never stetralisks.
Your E should be always ready for unseen situations.
I push with garrys orbs into enemy bases while simultaniously placing stetalites and overcharge them.
I can Even use the E zone if i know in the next 60 seconds that nothing is Happening.
I played a really long time stetmann, mostly on +4-6 with an ally and in my opinion nothing beats his sustained pushing and healing power except i run out of stetalites.
I wasn’t and still not saying Ultralisks have 0 place, just in 99% of the situation for a beginner Zerglings is the way to go. Frankly, I’m not sure Avenger is one of those situations either.
In cases where zerglings that survive tripple nukes before they need healing are not sufficient.
Or cases where you want to lag the game with mass roach ravager.
Or cases where you need to solo defend on DoN against any kind of mutator.
Or cases where you want to sit in base with gary and 20 infestory, sending waves via minimap into all directions, without paying attention to any micro whatsoever.
All these cases can be summed up to: use infestors if you want to be lazy. (Rapid fire on T recommended)
And now the part for skilled players: always use some infestors as supplementary units (for example on your control group for overseers) to use neural parasite on your allied units and your own - especially garry.
Usually i go for infestors on DoN, and against some mutators… e.g. FA (if i decide i want to go through the pain of playing that in the first place) and DE.
Also keep in mind, that going for infestors means you will have the violet JUICE stetelite config on most of the time. That may or may not be a good choice depending on your ally. Nova and Kerrigan for example have almost no use for extra energy regen. On the other side Vorazuns dark archons or Alarak with ascendants will LOVE to have unlimited energy. Similar but to a lesser extent for bio Raynor’s medics and Artanis’ templars or archons.
Going for mecha zerglings (+other units) you will have speed and health regen auras on most of the time, swicthing only to JUICE only to fill up your units energy between fights. It’s a more aggressive and mobile / fast style of play. I like it more, but depends on taste of course.
Do you also scrub the floor with a toothbrush, and call the professional janitor a noob for using a mop too? Haha.
Seriously, don’t take this the wrong way. People enjoy a power up, that’s why they play Best Buddy. By your logic, do you play P3 Abby, P1 Kerri, P3 HH, etc.?
You know, I commend Zhadoom for at least being fair unlike the rest of the RacistCraft community that only wants to dump Zeratul(P3 Alarak or even P2 Karax) for being “too strong”. Normally everyone wants to attack protoss commanders, but not Zhadoom.
If nothing else, I give him that.
Sure it’s my bias… doesn’t mean it’s not correlated to reality.
I almost never play best buddy - 95% of the stetman plays i pick signal savant. I like the presistent stetalites with bigger range… but also i think best buddy feels silly op.
When i play aba, i usually prefer essence hoarder. No kidding. I think its underrated. Tried tunneling horror a bit… its ok. P3 i never felt a big apeal from, and neither does it feel OP or weak tbh.
Though I am guilty of playing Kerry - Folly of man and Stukov - lorde of the horde quite a bit… though i admit they are the noob firendliest prestige they have. And i do feel bad after most games - cause what you get, for what you put in is not fair towards your allies efforts most of the time (unless they play something similar). At least thats my feeling. Her DPS is on similar level as best buddy, though unlike him, she can die easily if you dont pay attention.
Well, that’s what I’m pointing out to you… that a bias is your opinion and not reality. While the two can be the same at times, in this case it isn’t. People aren’t picking Best Buddy because they are noobs, you just think so is all.
Why? Because there are limitations to how fast you can push, prior to prestiges being released. After their release, there’s a definite power up to some (if not all) commanders. As such, this limitation is removed and that’s what’s interesting to me. I wouldn’t really understand anyone who “prefers” to play slower and slower, as you play more and more.
So I think it’s normal to also think that this feeling applies to others. Regardless where your skills are at, a power up means you can win a mission easier, or perhaps win it faster than previous you could, or it allows new strategies because of the prestige.
I don’t presume to know why people choose what they choose but I certainly am sure that it’s not because they are noobs looking for an easy time. Frankly too, there’s also nothing wrong even if they are looking for an easy time. And there’s definitely no “correlation” or even “causation” to being noobie or not.
Well, i also play p1 and p3 Stetman on 3-5 so what ?
I just like the way he plays and how he can support his teammate with all zone Variations.
Further more i dont have to manage calldowns as i constantly have to place and overcharge them anyway.
There is just not one single reason in my opinion why u should play his p0 while his p2 is basically just that, just more powerfull
You are not better just becouse u dont want to play his p2, you just dont like it and thats that.
That’s a strange mix… Swann P0 weirdly stands out for sure.
I guess the real interesting question is however, whether you play those, because you genuinely like them or because you feel the need to play them in order to participate meaningfully in coop games.
I think there is. I think a noob playing stetman P1 vs P2 will loose more. A lot more. And loosing is not something human minds have much regard for. But lets just agree to disagree. And I’m not saying all best buddy players are noobs - just most.
If you play best buddy, but you skip to spread aura to my bases, your tech and army supply is way behind, your expo late and whatnot while you only use gary aggresively, i will try my best to make sure you don’t see any daylight.
That does not mean i attack you, but i try my best to get all kills from all attack waves, all objectives anywhere. You can call it disciplinary measures for bad players if you like.
To be honest, i haven’t felt anything like that towards zera in a long while… I think there is a difference in how toxic you can play zeratul compared to best buddy, infiltration specialist and lone wolf for example.
I do find Best Buddy almost… offensive. On the one hand, sure, hand me more power and I’ll just try to do more with it and it’s not necessarily a barrier to skill.
But P2 Super Gary isn’t just strong, he’s also boring. There’s not enough nuance in him for how strong he is – just 2000 HP and a lot of auto-attack DPS. Does a P2 Stetmann player care about the interesting trade-off between maximising The Best Oil and maximising HUGS Overcharge? Why would they? The hero’s never going to die anyway.
P2 Kerrigan is also ridiculous but at least there’s more complexity to her. P2 Stetmann – and P2 Tychus, though at least there it’s fun to multitask – feel like very skewed design.
I didn’t entirely understand this sentence, but… are you saying you expect Stetmann players to spread Stetzones to your bases? Why? No. Bad. Don’t.
Well, the first few minutes you wont do anything as stetman so i dont get it why someone shouldnt send stetalites over your Main.
And what do you mean late expo?
By the time Gary is rdy and you morph him into supergary instantly by the time he spawns you have enough minerals to build a hatch at expo.
That + his mastery points in faster build time
Do you even play stetman ?
Even with p0 or p3 you rush supergarry becouse it is the most powerfull powerspike in your army
Preparation for when Gary’s out, basically. You can spread Stetellites ahead to make sure you’ll be fighting under Stetzones, and it’s often pretty important to get that headstart.
I think Zhadoom’s sentence just came out confusing, you and I thought he said opposite things so err… Zhadoom, clarify? : )
Not really, P0 Swann remains stronger than P1-3, just like how P0 Abby does to its counter parts. And I don’t want to debate about why lol. I’ve advocated for ‘Drill Opening’ forever for people to improve. People can look it up, it’s quite literally written in another current topic.
Well, of course. That’s exactly the power up I spoke about. For the same caliber of player, a harder to play prestige/CO will obviously lead to more loss than a more power prestige/CO.
If I give you a car, a unicycle, and a scooter to use. Will you reach a destination faster by car? Of course. Will you not be able to meet all the demands of the day if you had to travel by unicycle cuz you’re travelling all the time? Of course!
Does that make the same person who sensibly chose a car as their means to travel a scrub? No, why would it? Cuz it’s more convenient? Lol, how laughable the logic.
This I can get behind. I don’t see why the skewed view towards people you don’t know, simply due to a choice they made. I don’t presume their choice or yours is wrong. It’s just a preference. So to that end, why not respect it.
