Ideal Mission Order for LotV campaign

Yes, they’re as strong as ever.

No, there is harm in waiting. It’s entirely possible that it won’t stay safe forever. So instead of just picking it up, you might have to fight for it. And that your ally won’t be warned. (Terran’s life matters, too)

Moreover, if you’re right and that the Spear of Adun is not combat ready, then you shouldn’t go to Shakuras right away. Taking the extra time to prepare the ship so that the rescue attempt is done better.

There is also the issue with time management. Going to Shakuras is going to be inefficient way of travel.

So on the very likely chance that Shakuras is under attacked, what can you really do about it with just former Khalai on the Spear, and Zealots in stasis?

Again if you’re right, then going to Shakuras before the Spear is ready is a bad choice.

The Dragoon was already presence prior to the Spear of Adun activation. We know that the Spear was configurations to build Stalker before the decision was even made. It’s fair assumption that Karax’s already programmed the simple design like Zealot and Dragoon, which means getting the design of vanilla Immortal before arriving at Korhal isn’t a stretch. Remember, the Immortal is actually an upgraded version of Dragoon.


Here is a thing, this discussion has been done to death by this Forum’s veterans (I like to think that I’m one of them). Your issue is nothing new, they’re all raise and shoot down long ago. So if you want to throw your hat in the ring, you got to make a very, very good case for any of your point. It’s going to be quite a heavy task. Be warned, though, this topic is toxic; friendships have been broken, marriages have been ruined!

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@Emperor Probius, the ruler of Probe

Where exactly do you know that the Caste is something the Protoss choose to be? I tried to find some source for it, but it seems to be hereditary. It seems to be depend on your tribe. Moreover, the Templar was trained at young age, that doesn’t sound like a proper choice to me.

4 tribes conform the Templars 1 to the Khalai and another 2 to the Judicator info from the manual

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Yeah, it seems like the Protoss is born into his/her own caste and stuck there for the rest of their life. They can’t change it until Artanis declares everyone a Templar and do away with it.

Where did Kelthar say caste is a choice?

I didnt. Being a soldier, at the vanguard of Artanis’ armies, is. Artanis isnt going to force anybody to fight who genuinely doent want to and resists doing so, its just that the Templar dont usually have anybody like that. Zealots spend a long time in training, the individuals who “wash out” so to speak would have been found out long before the End War.

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Okay, that’s where I need some kind of citation. Because I can’t find any indicate that it’s a choice. The Protoss is born into a caste and becomes Templar without a choice. Artanis is then sending those Templar to danger. I cannot find any piece of lore indicates that Artanis asked his troop on regular basis. The Vanguard of the Reclamation is more of an exception to the norm.

My point is Artanis and Protoss’ General in general sends his follow Protoss into battle without given any choice all the time. I just can’t find any ‘buy in’ and thus the difference.

The only one way to escape the war that I know of is to seriously injured and refuse the ‘opportunity’ to become Dragoon.

I’m sorry, but if this is all you got as a basis for the difference between risking Warrior and Civilian, then I’m going to backpedal. Risking civilian is not different from sending warrior to war in any meaningful.

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Quote the whole article next time. He doesn’t need citation, because as he added, those that wouldn’t wanna fight are really freaking rare. Not to mention they would have known really quickly if someone was unfit for being Templar before the End War. Why?

BECAUSE THEY HAD KHALA. Kelthat doesn’t have to prove anything here. The data is sufficient.

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Actually, even if I took the Vanguard into consideration, it’s still not a choice. If all he gave his warrior is whether to be the first wave or second or third, that’s still not a choice in meaningful way.

Okay, so most Protoss want to fight and those who doesn’t are very rare. In which case, sending Protoss civilian or Protoss warrior is the same. Most want to fight, anyway.

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Something to point out is that the civilians on Shakuras are Nerazim, therefore they had a Choice in being soldiers or not.

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I spend years at Mar’s side fighting the Red Plague. I went apes----- on Gradius (and he went back at me). If you think I am moved, you give yourself too much credit. If anything annoys me it’s your grammar and lycan’s structure of text. Although I understand that it is not intentional, hence I ask lycan to adjust it and correct your stuff. And to give you credit, you have reacted towards these corrections better than 98% people on the Internet I have done this to.

But if you will act towards Eric like you act towards Gradius, gloves are off. New people are under protection.

Most TEMPLAR want to fight. Most Khalai just want to hang out at home and play with their antimatter or whatever it is they do.

Are you just deliberately not understanding me at this point? Because it seems like it.

Also, what Mar said.

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Wanting to fight and wanting to die isn’t the same. At least west of Ural and north of Caucasus.

Please upvote this if you have a temp ban.

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I agree. I didn’t notice that at all. I’m pretty sure I reserve a special treatment for Gradius.

Anyway, if you’re not upset, then I don’t care.

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Yes, I really don’t get it. The difference between Khalai and Templar is at birth. They’re born into it not choose to be one.

Okay, are they Nerazim or Khalai? I’m well confuse at this point.

Civilians on Shakuras are Nerazim.

Not every templar is a zealot. Theyre the warrior caste, but the templar tribes would have died out within a generation if they werent allowed to have some form of civilian life, and its also explicit that female templar are unusual in the DT saga, especially in positions of command, which would require that they be doing other things.

Likewise we see that the Ara and Furinax (judicator and khalai) tribes also have zealots and warriors of their own (otherwise the templar rebellion would have been very quick indeed), so there is clearly more to it than just your tribe.

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