Tbh I don’t even think that’s it. There’s plenty of people with even worse English skills that still manage to make sense.
Which is what exactly?
Not my job to explain.
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The ideal mission order for LotV campaign is 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, and 5.
Did I get it right?
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What planetary system do you go to for mission number 4?
Planet 4, ironically, is always Ulnar, assuming you dont count Aiur.
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Do you and Artanis know when to arrive Amon?
Do you and Artanis know that Korhal delayed it too long?
he is obviously a starwman
She does not argue that the protoss will sacrifice all the protoss for nothing, but is to sacrifice for cultural notions . and that Artanis is not aware nor does the game argue that Korhal’s election represents an unsustainable delay.
In fact shakuras, it is only a fraction of all the tribes in danger, artanis original people are in Spear of Adun or controlled by Amon
Saving the Nerazim is not significant in the context of the survival of the protoss as a species if Amon triumphs because he represents the universal extermination saving the Nerazim who are not defenseless in principle (they are fortified an have ships), it will mean nothing if he cannot stop the golden army, the army of death and the swarm of Amon will simply be overwhelmed, if they do not decide to flee and all will die it will only be a question of time, the banishment of Amon is the one that guarantees not only the survival of the protoss but of all beings
the purpose was not to save the lives of the protoss, the conclave wanted a private and obedient army without moral questioning. They could have built sentries in serie as infantry, they wish by tradition to participate directly in melee combat by tradition
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That one with the weird star. It’s a bit different from number 2’s star.
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Waaait.
Aiur, Shakuras, Korhal, Glacius and then Ulnar.
No, but Artanis expresses urgency for Shakuras, not Korhal where he thinks Raynor will just hand it over. He doesn’t express any concern about Korhal being attacked. That’s just fan fiction and your hindsight bias.
If you want to make any argument about the canon order or what Artanis would naturally pick you have to…you know…actually get into the character’s head and analyze how you think he would react, as opposed to just arguing for what you personally think sounds good.
That’s some insane troll logic you’ve got there.
Shakuras has millions of free Protoss on it. To give up on them because a bunch have already been lost is nonsensical and counter to all Protoss notions of serving your people.
The Protoss already use plenty of automatons in combat. Templar just enjoy the glory of combat so they’re not going to let robots do all the work.
How you go from that to “it’s ok to risk all of Shakuras’s people just to get the artifact” is a giant non-sequitur devoid of any logic.
I told you not to count Aiur!
Exactly there is a strong space of factors more and you are limited to two options that “choosing korhal is to abandon shakuras”, so this reduces a case of false dilemma.
Artanis only says that he must arrive before Amon, does not imply anything more that restricts his action because as the previous questions indicate there is no established there are no time limits time fto fulfill that goal. post election it is noted that Amon arrived before the planned by Artanis, whatever option
It establishes that this event from the perspective of Artanis, the operation will be of short time and simple, it is at its best to perform it without spending resources (which coincides with the weakened state of the spear of Adun)
and this is linked to death of Zeratul, last wish, a previous cinematic where Zeratul indicates two things, Amon will be a universal destruction (there is no escape) and point out that the artifact is vital for his defeat, after of Artanis regrets because he did take not the warnings of Zeratul, hours before Zeratul’s death, was ordered directly to recover the artifact in immediate action while Artanis prepared the strength to fight. Clearly, Zeratul cannot fulfill this vital work and it is his last wish, it is obvious that Artanis will do so, it is marking a continuity of the events to recover the artifact as it is continually referred to as something vital.
, enough within the mentality of Artanis?
Which has already been addressed are an armed population with military training, the entire population has training, has fortifications and superweapons, this same indicates that the Nerzin at this time of the election was a greater force than the Spear of adun
You have understood us the contexts Artanis carries on his back the loss of 5 more tribes that made up the hierarchy, he does not intend to lose his If the Nerazin have millions of protoss but it is not a question of numbers but of guaranteeing their survival as a species. a temporary solution, ifthis vital is lost.
the Philosophy of the ark explains that the maximum plan of its survival incurs in saving only its passengers to preserve the protoss even if it is on this small scale it is not a question of numbers if it is to keep the protoss with an effective response to be able to maintain alive to it
is is linked to the vision of the Overmind when the protoss could not guarantee the life of the protoss they sacrificed their lives to preserve their memory, that is the question to be able to guarantee lives that is the value of the artifact is not just playing the hero, without count the many times that you are told that the Nerazim had an army and a defenses which was subverted by a surprise attack
If they had a worried philosophy where the lives of the protoss are worth more than the experience and the honor of the battle I would make it an example are the humans in gray goo they have the same levels of technology as the protoss and a human only enters a field of battle when wearing ubersuit, however any initiative of this nature is born from the conclave that need an army that does not question and not about Templar caste desires
because you have limited from an emotional perspective without remembering that the protoss are rational, in addition to spicing it up by forcing specific conditions to limit in two options with :“it’s ok to risk all of Shakuras’s people just to get the artifact”The risk is somewhat exclusive from your perspective, not even the Nerazin are weak, {Artnis did not know if Amon would overcome in speed it but if he knew that the artifact provided the last hope something that we dedicated the missions of Aiur to clarify. Since Amon is a threat not only physical but something that enslaves the minds of its people
The whole idea that we cannot access the powerful weapons of the ship is based on the fact that the solar core is not capable of sustaining it, we had at the end of the game a ship factory, time manipulation technology and purification weapons, in the recovery of Aiur in full power is worst destroyed that it had to leave the battlefield, if only because of Amon decided to play kamikaze, in the worst scenario SoA could be facing in Shakuras the golden army, the army of death, hybrids and zerg leviathans…
Ah, okay. Knowing more and more everyday.
Look, I understand that the first experiment was a failure, but that shouldn’t stop the idea altogether. If the idea of flying is scrap with the first few hundred gliding failures, we won’t have an airplane.
The program went rogue and thus failure because it has advanced A.I. to contemplate rebelling, so just make a new batch that incapable of such sophisticated thinking! It’s easier not harder. Beside, I might be wrong, but Artanis said the Purified Program is about trying to replicate dead warrior; not to replace live Protoss in frontline (at least not entirely).
The thing is your explanation is sufficed to explain why they don’t make a highly complicated A.I., but not the simpler version. A remote control shell can’t rebel, you can’t persuade me that they don’t make it for fear of rebellion.
Beside, the idea isn’t completely out there, either. As you helpfully pointed out, Sentry, Reaver among other are robots. The idea is already existed; just not to the scale that I propose.
But it’s not about inorganic thing, though. For one thing, the Terran on Korhal should be warned about the incoming attack (even in potential). Moreover, getting the Keystone is not about getting inorganic object; it’s about getting a way to survive long term.
The Protoss is capable of understanding the overarching goal, just take Zeratul for example. All over the campaign we saw so many Protoss sacrifice what appears to be a larger force for him. They understand that it’s about potential not the current. Talis should have just abandoned Zeratul and his small group to save her army. She recognized the threat and decide to sacrifice. Even though, Zeratul can’t stop the invasion and prevent the corruption of the Armada.
Well, that’s a race he can’t realistically win. The Armada has a head start not him. Aiur was Amon’s territory and once he acquired the Armada it’s no longer in enemy’s territory (kind of). Amon could just A-Move to Shakuras like then and there, they don’t even need to rally first. Given the distance between planet compare to planet’s diameter, ship from any point will arrive at about the same time.
And we both know that the Protoss is a bit of a drama queen. A single line about arriving before Amon doesn’t mean that much to me like it did to you.
None to give, sorry. This is my conjuncture.
Look, I can understand somewhat that the Protoss never create a spaceship capable of faster speed, but I don’t think the Armada is slower. It’s constructed on Shakuras while the Protoss has a heavy dose of reality check. I refuse to believe that they still holding themselves back. Even if we’re to assume no innovation between now and then, the Armada should still also be at the absolute peak of Protoss tech.
Also, Artanis has to do many things before he can activate the Spear of Adun. We know that he kill Zeratul in the evening. I don’t know how long it took him to rally his troop and find Karax and walk (yes, walk) to the Spear of Adun, but I know for a fact that Amon could gather all of the Armada long before Artanis reaches the Arkship.
So, no, the first move belongs to the one whose force is a little disarray and comprise of highly advance spaceship not a ragtag band of troop scattered in enemy territory going about on foot.
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So you do get it! This is part of my core point.
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Ah yeah, my bad. Completely skipped over that part.
Yes…and you get that this doesn’t extend to all of the 196 million on Shakuras of civilians and statesmen that don’t fight, yes? 
Templar have sworn to defend their people. Sidelining their people for a side-quest when there’s a giant army on the way is a betrayal of their oath.
I get that you personally like Korhal first and therefore think it should be canon, but why would Artanis pick this? None of you are actually getting into the character’s head.
So we have multiple dialogues in the first arc of Aiur, dialogues dedicated to the importance of artifact and its relevance to survival not only of the protoss but of everything:
- Zeratul : I have witnessed the [end of all things… Horrific legion of Hybrid razing world upon world. In the darkness, lording over them, shadowy form… Amon.
Zeratul : This vision was a [benevolent one], as if an ancient voice called out from beyond. "The [Keystone] shall usher you unto hope…
Artanis regretting not listening to zeratul a mission before
- Artanis : I have always trusted you, Zeratul. But the burdens of leadership demanded much of me. There are times when I am uncertain whether I was truly ready for such weight.
Artanis himself immediately indicated to secure the artifact his original plan was to activate the SoA and rejoin Zeratul. go to korhal so Artanis would be following his own plan.
- Artanis : You will go to James Raynor] on Korhal and receive this Keystone. I will marshal our forces for the war ahead. When you return, the Templar will be ready. En Taro [Tassadar], old friend.
- Artanis : Zeratul, you must secure the Xel’Naga Keystone from James Raynor. My forces will reactivate the Spear of Adun … a warship that will be invaluable in the battles ahead. May Tassadar’s shadow hide you, my friend.
Zeratul last word they ask him to recover the artifact.more regret from Artanis:
- Zeratul : The Keystone… will guide you… to the xel’naga…
- Artanis : Zeratul…Forgive me.
that the line goes in that order, he has already recovered the SoA is the logical step given the mobile nature of this irreplaceable resource.The only space dedicated to Shakura is the one that says that we must arrive before Amon, the narration(Zeratul) has directed us to Korhal by means of being an element that means global survival, no matter how much he wants to portray the protoss in shakuras as a defenseless caravan in the desert
194 million has been used as a quantitative value as to how much we should be afflicted by shakuras, but effectively this quantitative value offers a quantity of troops much higher than the one exerted by the spear of Adun low energy and lower military personnel than that possessed by Shakuras.
- Artanis : Aiur is lost once more… My great vision of reclamation left in ruins. This shall not stand. The [terrans of Korhal] have in their possession the Xel’naga Keystone which Zeratul foresaw would lead to our salvation. Though I have not seen commander Raynor in many solar returns, I believe he will give the Keystone to us.
We have multiple examples of entire contingents sacrificing their lives for Zeratul to carry out his mission because it meant the highest good.
Karass : I will stand against the Queen of Blades while you escape with the fragments!
Zeratul : I will not abandon you!
Karass : The prophecy is more important than either of us! Reveal its secrets, Zeratul! The future rests on it!
Talis : There is no time, Zeratul. Make your escape. I shall deal with the Tal’darim.
Zeratul : There must be another way.
Talis : Go. Now! And tell our Hierarch what has occurred this day.
Zeratul : Talis, our people owe you a debt we can never repay.
Talis : For Aiur!
protoss sacrificing to save memory
High Templar : Great one, the vault is prepared. Guard us while we preserve our knowledge for those that may follow. They must not make the mistakes we did.
The story of Spear of Adun, delves into two nuances of the protoss:
the emotional one that is represented by the Templar culture and its celebrated hight capacity for sacrifice for pride and the false idea of invincibility (another example is the shadow guard that he fought until his defeat was obvious, when it was already late) that leads to prevailing in almost suicidal fights, where any ordinary human would have fallen into despair while the protoss accepted death with a kind of satisfaction
Rohana continued. “You are right, Orlana. A single arkship would be enough to see our kind survive in the end times. But there will be no surviving arkships, no matter how many we build,” she said. “When the end comes, what will be our first response? We will send an arkship, every arkship we have, to confront it directly.” Rohana sent quick snippets of lives past to her sisters through the Khala. Proud warriors all, facing death with courage. Every one of them believed victory was possible even as they strode toward impossible odds. Pride was the protoss’ great asset, and their great curse. “The Firstborn do not run. Not ever. The arkships will be squandered because the possibility of defeat will not enter the commanders’ hearts until it is too late.” Until gravity has a firm hold and the threshold is crossed. "And when the arkships burn, so, too, will the hopes of our kind. Our culture, our empire, our people—it will end in fire."
And the rational, the idea that it should be thought that it can be sacrificed and not, when thy have talking about the survival of the protoss as a species, there the sacrifice of fleets and colonies is considered as something permissible before the idea that only one ship would suffice to maintain the protoss run, contrary to the idea The Firstborn do not run
“They will be squandered,” Rohana said. “We would use them to forestall survivable tragedies. We could suffer the loss of a thousand motherships to exploration, and our race would survive.
We could lose a thousand colonies and still have hope. But it is as you stated so long ago: these arkships require incredible investments. We have three? Good. We can preserve them. But we do not need more.”
The Conclave members caught one of those words: preserve. None missed the meaning, not with three grand preservers standing before them.
“You have a plan,” Mardonis said.
“We do.”
“To preserve the arkships until the moment they are needed most?”
“Indeed,” Rohana said. “The Spear of Adun is not meant to continue shepherding colonists. It is meant to rise up when all hope is lost, to carry the remnants of our traditions, and to strike back at whatever seeks to end us.”
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Yes, and you do get this is a true Strawman, right? Not the ‘unintentional’ kind. I type multiple time that going to Korhal DOESN’T mean left everyone on Shakuras to die. I keep telling you that you fail to ever prove that the case.
Seriously, either drop the Strawman or commit and explain how going to Korhal first will result in everyone on Shakuras demise.
For someone who seems to hate Strawman, you sure love using it. Getting the Keystone is far from a side quest. Side quest is something skippable. Getting the Keystone is not skippable.
Did you even read anything I type?
Seriously, why are we still at this? You already admit that the Protoss didn’t care about their warrior welfare up to the point that you need them to be. The present of Zealot and Dragoon rule out your argument. Sure the Protoss might survive a fatal injury (might not, the technology isn’t even perfect), but they live the rest of their days in a tank; forever hook up to a machine. I am not going to prove that the Protoss doesn’t care, no one can do that. All I have to prove is that the Protoss is capable of sacrificing their warrior even though it’s totally avoidable and thus rebuke the argument that Artanis can’t afford any delay. AGAIN FOR YOU HYPOCRITE! A DELAY! NOT A TOTAL ABANDONMENT!
Yes, I wake up to the sound of nearby construction. Deal with it!
EDITED: There is other point like the fact that you got nothing except for one line from a dramatic race that it’s a race while I have so many example of the Keystone importance. I get it that you can establish some urgency, but saying that the Keystone is unimportant is just pure dishonesty.
Anyway, derceinlycan already pointed it all out. I hope you’re capable of getting it.
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Me not being able to mind read the inner workings of your brain and being forced to respond to what you actually wrote is not what the definition of a straw man is, you dishonest simpleton.
You accuse me of strawmanning when:
a) 100% of people dying on Shakuras has nothing to do with what we’re talking about
b) I never even said that, meaning you’re the one that’s “strawmanning” right now, which makes you a hypocrite. I’m sure a bunch of people would survive. But without the spear of adun to evacuate to, a delay could cause millions of them to die (if not the vast majority of them), which should be unacceptable for a true templar.
For someone who doesn’t understand what a strawman or metaphor is, this reply is unsurprising. Artanis believes there will be many battles ahead even if he gets the keystone. Starting the actual military campaign before actually safeguarding your people is putting the cart before the horse.
No, that’s a non-sequitur. Warriors in protoss society get sacrificed. Craftsmen, judicators, and civilians get protected. Shakuras has a bunch of civilians.
Artanis would not be sacrificing/risking warriors, he’d be risking civilians. Please tell me some extra neurons fired off in your brain and that you actually get it. Getting tired of repeating myself. -_-
wtf does it matter what type of delay it is? They could be dead now for all Artanis knows. That’s why there’s urgency built into the dialog. It could be 5 minutes, which could buy hundreds of protoss lives during an evacuation.
Since apparently it’s possible to play though StarCraft and not get that a templar’s first duty is to his people, here are some quotes:
TASSADAR
Though they are petty, and have, in ignorance cursed your kind for generations… help me save our people.TASSADAR
For I am Templar, and above all else, I have sworn to Protect our Homeworld 'till the end.Raszagal
The Overmind is our common enemy. It must be destroyed to insure that our people will survive!Raszagal
I do not ask this for myself. Nor do I ask it on Kerrigan’s behalf. I ask you to do this for our people, Zeratul.
The last two are ironic considering anyone believes Zeratul would actually want Artanis to risk all of Shakuras.
Now that that’s established, what should Artanis safeguard first: an object that can potentially help his people OR…OR…his actual people?
Hmmmm. hmmmmm. damn, that’s a tough one
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It is funny that you think that these quotes exactly talk about the survival of the protoss as a collective and Aiur as a symbolic element, has some opposition to save an object that has been preset as the only tool to save the protoss as a collective both the protoss of tassadar disposed their troops for much less, in Tarsonis for the evacuation of the terran, in Aiur the evacuation did not continue until they were obviously losing ,they are the kings of the last stand they also check it in Shakura who fought until They could not take it anymore and only began the evacuation when maintaining the planet became unsustainable
Why do you keep implying that Artanis is putting Shakuras at risk? (that that moment is in the same condition or better than him) that Artanis thinks that going korhal will delay him even though Artanis is unaware of Amon’s agenda?and Artanis think that Korhal misio have short time duration .
Which Artanis believes they will not bear a siege?, despite being their current capital to have an army(every Nerazim adult is warrior), forges , fortress and planetary weapon, and that the warlike actions that will be carried out i will affect his sentimental judgment
And you continue to act as the artifact was out of a cereal box, You requested to get into the character of Artanis he believes in zeratul like many other protoss and the artifact was raised as the only element that separates the protoss from extinction and the plan to recover it immediately was his
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