They are both support units, WP is well geared for that role.
Raven is flimsy and not as microable.
This is because Blizz took old Raven which was lethal (seeker missile) and massable and was balanced by the fact that it was slow and fragile -> and changed it to a support role but forgot to change its stats accordingly
There’s different kinds of support units, you can’t use umbrella terms to describe mobile production for the purpose of comparing it to a combat caster support unit, it’s like saying Marmalade is Jam. Sure, if you boil away all the differences and describe both as sugary sludge you spread on bread but that’s a vast over simplification.
Blizzard left the Raven as a slow and fragile unit for 2 reasons; 1 Interference Matrix is a very oppressive ability.
2, turret spam is still a thing and making the Raven beefier or faster, let alone both buffs that extremely toxic playstyle. Last time that nonsense happened, we had 3 hour games where salty players tried their best to ruin sc2, even in the pro scene (looking at you Special).
If you want a Raven buff to health or speed, it needs to lose it’s oppressive spells and not have the option for a toxic playstyle. So replace IM and AT with 2 different abilities and then the Raven can get buffed.
Then you are actually saying that Raven is fine as is and we have a disagreement because I find it slow and fragile (which I think represent how it performs on thr field)
As oppose to warp prism being well geared for its purposed!
In a way I want a little bit of revenge for the shenangians that toss is getting away with.
Vengence is mines saidth the lord so vengence I shall have.
however childish this may seem lol
Ill settle for a balanced and fair match up…
p.s the raven sucks and has been nerfed into the ground you would be lucky to see one built in any match up.
I wouldn’t say it’s fine, it’s a unit that’s held back by bad, binary design.
Like who in their right mind thinks disabling a Mechanical unit for how long is balanced? That’s nuts lol.
And Auto Turrets have never been anything but a gimmicky, toxic playstyle. They don’t magically make battles better for Terran, they snipe probes or get thrown down en masse via 12 Ravens with Shift Click.
All I’m saying is that, considering how obnoxious of a unit the Raven is, you can’t really buff it to the level you’d like because then you’d have Special ruining the pro scene again - and a whole bunch of toxic players who try to emulate it with varying degrees of success across every league due to the trickle down meta effect sc2 has.
In that regard Mothership core made way more sense than Recall. Pylon Overcharge had counter-play, Recall does not.
Community asked for Mothership to go so now we got something way worse, now we have to deal with it.
We shouldnt have to deal with that crap. How about they removed mothership core and thats it. Why should toss have been compensated. The raven has been nerfed to dirt without compensation. the infestor is currently being nerfed without compensation.
Why should toss get compensated when a change is made. They nefed zeals attack then signficnatly buffed their speed. why. why not just nerf attack and leave it at that.
Toss gets the play the game on easy mode while everyone else has to try.
Imagine being a grandmaster and being so stupid as to be able to post something like this proving a glaring lack of understanding in game dynamics. Another terran whiner carried by ez-pz op race to gm…
Your in the minority if you think this way. Proof of this is that it is not as used as other casters… your completely delusional
Mass raven is a thing of the pass, turrets are in a much better place that it was and its no longer used as mass turrets
What your basically saying, you have to keep Raven underperforming because otherwise it will be OP.
Theres a middle ground called balancing and this is what this game is all about!
i honsetly think that would should be done with the raven is reduce another armor/shields. by 1. because right now they are only good in tvt, and early game tvp.
OKAY whatever you say mr. typical toxic gamer
LMAO! A Protoss legend against the biggest patchterran to ever touch this game…
ByuN is massively overrated. The hype train is already derailed after… two days in GSL. Byun is NEVER the god that Terran players think he is. He’s just your average KR Terran.
I disagree, Byun is definitely one of the best terran players out there, a worthy member of the “four horsemen.” That said, his loss against Stats was caused by his own mistakes and Stats’s good play, I don’t think balance played any kind of ridiculous part in it.
I’m not sure if it’s impressive or if everyone else is just not very intelligent.
You say that as if Byun were a patchterran.
As if Byun is the only terran struggling in TvP.
As if Protoss hadn’t won the most tournaments in 2020.
As if Protoss didn’t have an imbalanced PvT win-rate since 2018.
As if Protoss hadn’t been dominating GM since 2018.
Imagine thinking you know more about the game than real and actual statistics of and about the game which prove beyond doubt that you are wrong. Imagine if being wrong in the face of a mountain of statistics weren’t enough, and having to call a Grandmaster at SC2 an idiot on top of it all.
LOL
Warp prism is broken AF. They give all ground units blink, can infinite-teleport all gateway units, carries units as cargo AND powers buildings for a mere 250 minerals / a 36 second build time. It is the hero unit of hero units. Protoss is the MOBA race of sc2.
Imagine if the medivac gave free stim to all ground units (mech units included) and allowed barracks to teleport marines onto any place on the map that terran had a medivac. LOLOLOLOLOL
Thebatz data cannot be trusted.
I repeat, his data cannot be trusted