In the game, which we are talking about, it was his mistake, maybe it was missclick, maybe he was looking somewhere else, but his raven was in front of the army. It wasn’t “slow”, it was flying in front of his army, not behind
I think the OP is being silly with the example but yeah TvP is stupid right now lol.
I think this mostly boils down to Stalkers being too cheap now. Only costing 125/50 means faster tech - and with faster tech Terran is put into the same situation Protoss was in before that change; while they can hold off any of the all-ins coming their way, they have to dedicate everything into stopping it, which means if, for example, that tech boost Protoss now has counters the dedicated defense Terran is now required to get, they just lose the game.
Blizzard has NO idea how to balance TvP which is odd. Like, why not just revert the stupid Charge redesign and instead give the Zealot +2 damage with Charge and another +2 per ground attack upgrade, revert the dumb Observer nerf, Nerf Thor’s HIP range by 1 and keep the current SHield Battery without Overcharge being added?
That alone would solve most of the issues Protoss had against Terran without doing something as hilariously dumb as making the Stalker cheaper (you’ve no idea how much 25 minerals snowballs with Warp Gate production).
It IS SIGNIFICANTLY FASTER THAN A RAVEN!
And it has more HP than a Raven, how hard is that to understand.
WP 4.13 + 1.23 Vs Raven 4.13
WP acc 3.675 Vs Raven 2.8
WP 180Hp vs 140HP Raven
Nah just emp the battery or focus fire battery but dont try fight while battery overcharge active not so hard doesnt>?
Thing is, with how Protoss currently snowballs, that basically delegates Terran to a much smaller pool of builds that work whereas Protoss doesn’t have the same issue.
The devs literally reversed the situations of TvP with the shield battery buffs, the cheaper Stalker that that overpowered Overcharge ability.
P.S. who on earth rushes Ghosts in TvP unless it’s a cheese? They’re so gas heavy…
Its useless to argue with those people… They know protoss is op but they will never admit it. The game is unfair and it gives them free win so they want to keep it that way even if it kills the game slowly. Protoss needs to be HARD nerfed into the ground…
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Because not the speed, not the hp, both doesn’t matter, even if raven will have 180 hp, 12 stalkers will still one shot it and blink away, if raven is in front of the army. But if raven is in the middle of the army, then stalkers can’t reach it. What do you try to tell me with speed, if it doesn’t play any role?
You don have rush ghost just note how engage protoss overcharge active ok dont engage or fight on range where battery cant support here you
Your comparing a Raven snipe with a WP snipe telling me its the same… which is not for those stats difference. Of course if its grossly out of position than those difference dont matter
Anyone who argues for another race to be nerfed into the ground shouldn’t be taken seriously.
The concept of balance is to make sure no race has an unreasonable advantage over the other, given optimal play on both sides. If you nerf a race into the ground, then you’re not concerned with balance, you’re concerned with retribution and vengeance. Both of which are childish emotions and concepts that don’t belong in any walk of life.
Not the snipe by itself, the meaning of the snipe for the game is the same. If protoss lose prism, he can’t warp in, so he lose the game. If terran lose raven, he can’t shut off colossus, he can’t win the game. The snipe is different of cource.
But how does the Ghost matter then since the issue with Overcharge is an early game issue?
Overcharge does nothing late or mid game unless it’s a small battle, like a drop or runby.
EMP isn’t a variable in why Protoss are (or aren’t) overpowered in TvP currently.
All you have to agree is that WP is more microable and has more survivability than Raven (facts) and thus its easier to loose a Raven as oppose to a WP
of cource its more easy to micro prism, than raven, it wasn’t a question from the beginning.
Ravens also have a few pretty busted abilities vs mechanical units. You can’t really compare them like that lol.
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Actually phoenix snipe gate army meets own fight
I wasnt comparing for its ability per say, only their speed and HP stats
That was my whole argument from the start 
glad we agree then
We just had a misunderstanding, I wasn’t comparing these units, I was comparing their role in all-ins.
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They have really different roles though, so comparing their stats is odd. Like, Ravens are a support-combat unit with abilities that cause direct damage, lower armor or make a mechanical unit inoperable for a few seconds.
The Warp Prism is more like a Medivac that can double as a Nydus Worm…which makes it sound really broken lol…and it kinda is, if there’s enough warp gates to fuel WP Gateway spam.
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