They should give liberators range back tbh
Imagine whining for buffs when your race is already dominating
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Bio is 100% viable. Mech is just OP and makes bio feel weak in comparison.
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Imagine a race dominating without data from any premier tournaments with the new patch. Exept one with ZvZ final. Can we wait some events please.
Balance is not determined by whichever race wins the latest premier tournament or who makes the final. And if you actually looked at the data of the tournament you’d see Zerg didn’t overachieve, only Serral and Reynor did.
Since the patch you can also see huge shifts in ladder populations, especially GM and even the winrates are reflecting it. There’s literally nothing that points to Terran being weak yet whiners are going nuts.
The winner of the tournament no, the composition of the final bracket is a pretty good indicator usually.
What about Soo, Dark and Rogue ?
I don’t see how gm distribution is a good indicator, there is period of imbalance where the best race was the most popular in gm league. So much lvl difference. Pro player not playing on ladder etc.
In the previous aligulac period which has double the amount of games than the current one, TvZ is 46% and PvT 51%. What about that ?
Bio is viable? So every pro terran saying it is not is false OK
And how do you play vs lurker with bio?
No you cant fight head on, pros disagree :libs and tanks too slow for insta siege lurkers
Now if you are luckily somwhow in position vipers shut both down
Maybe try ghost? No snipe is cancelled by lurkers
Okay Lets emp vipers
YOU DID IT, NOW your reward is:not dying instantly, Oh well
Okay okay, as bio you are supposed to counter attack, yeah for lurkers to shut it down, since they are as mobile as your bio
Yeah no, bio is not viable at all, while mech being arguably too strong, but no this is not enough for you, since at your 4.8k level some terrans beat you with bio
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LIBERATORS HAVE 13 CAST RANGE EVEN AFTER THE UPGRADE NERF.
Liberators still have 4 radius zones.
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Each time Terrans have acess to a stronger playstyle (Here mech), they pretend than the harder to play style is not viable xd. That was the same when they spammed proxy reapers/hellbat drops/tankyvac/2-1-1/BC openers every game/, they were saying “I don’t have any other options”.
Terrans including progamers have never been honest about that. There is no shame to say : “I’m a progamer, i’m here to win, if a style is stronger, if a BO is OP, I play it, period, i’m not the one who decided the balance”.
ProZerg/Protoss are quite honest when it happens, but Terrans as they’re always so arrogant, like “I play Terran so I’m gosu”, so they feel ashamed to abuse a broken BO (while actually they do that most of the time), so they try to hide behind “I’m forced to do that”, “Others playstyle are weak”, etc…
Also it’s quite funny, to prove “bio isn’t viable”, you say that some tanks/libs that are mech units are too slow for insta siege lurkers xd. If it was true, you couldn’t play mech then… No, it’s just some Terran progandanda to victimize themself, and ask for buffs everyday.
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lol, so two players determine balance now?
If you look at the RO16 only 4 Zergs made it while there were 6 Terrans and 6 Protoss.
What are you talking about Blizzcon? HSC?
GM populations and winrates by themselves don’t tell you much because you don’t know what the baseline is, but when you see dramatic changes it means balance shifted. Terran populations have gone up in GM and masters significantly while Zerg’s has gone down.
And right now PvT is 45% and TvZ is 61%. Forum Terrans saw these numbers and are panic whining now hoping people won’t see how strong the race has become.
Pros play bio all the time and win. Stephano kept trying lurker against bio yesterday and kept losing. Zergs aren’t using lurkers because they’re good, they’re using them because broodlords suck now.
Lambo also said today how he has an easier time against mech then he does against bio.
Heromarine seems slow compared to other high level pros so maybe that’s why he thinks bio is weak.
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And lets also not forget that bio has multiple timings before hive and lurkers actually have 1 less range before the upgrade. So anyone who complains about lurkers after a nerf is just a whiner.
Thors are good vs lurkers but you need mech upgrades = it is not bio …
And again “not let them get there” … It is not fun to play as bio 3 base all in every game or lose by default
I actually do better these days vs mech than bio. Bio is to be played very mobile multi prong drops everywhere. I can rarely even catch bio with my lurkers.
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Wait you were just talking about only HSC ? Did you read the “need more tournaments thing” ?
About HSC idk i’m looking the name of zergs who didn’t made it. Is this a surprise ? Don’t really have the feeling that terran do well eitheir.
How much ?
So you are just ignoring the previous period because it doesn’t suit your narrative ? Seems nice.
dont wanna interrupt your party, but the list before the latest is completely irrelevant, since the patch aired at the 17th december. the latest list began on the 19th december. so only the latest list is post-patch.
Oo ? Lurkers counter thors, they have more range, are faster, deal + armor.
It seems that the problem is more your micro :
Thors = you just amove nothing you can fail, tanks/liberator => you need to siege/unsiege and as you lack APM to do that, you get outplayed more easily.
Hum. The 17th december patch is the revert glaives and buff microbial shroud. I’m not sure if you thought that the big balance patch has been released the 17th december ( released the 26 november ) or if you think that minor patch has a huge balance impact.
oops, must have missed that. my bad.
go on with your date with stretch ;D
Lurkers have low single target dmg … and thors do not care about splash.
Tank takes 6s to siege and unsiege … lurker can do the same in 0.7s .if zerg is able to micro you will never catch them …
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