Yes, so russia only has a part of the country now, rather than owning all of it with the aid of their local patsy. Overall, great progress. Better to fight and gain something than bend over for the regime and continue to have nothing.
I donât need to, youre doing it right here for us to see.
Yeah, I guess technically its a circle of one here. Usually there are two or three of your type all agreeing with each other that this other thing is bad, and therefore so is everybody else who doesnât agree verbatim with everything you guys say.
Nah, youre the most important topic in this thread. Youre the one trying to advocate for action, therefore who you are and what you do directly affects everything you say.
Except all the people who arenât willing to agree with you, of course. But I guess in your mind youâve decided theyre just facets of The Enemy and not people, probably.
Nah, the important issue here is Blizzardâs conduct. You know, the actual thing you nominally started the thread about.
Blizzard is punishing people monetarily for causing problems for blizzard. That is entirely within their rights to do.
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You live in a bubble.
You should just never touch a Blizzard game, never use a Blizzard forum, and never legally watch a Blizzard event because they are an American corporation that pays a ton of taxes to the American government which uses those taxes to bomb countries and deal with war criminals.
But no. You are a SJW sitting in your ivory tower and pretending to âfight evilâ
Get off your high horse. You have no moral high ground here.
In fact, like I mentioned before, your taxes fund such âevilâ in the world too. Nobody is buying your SJW nonsense.
But unfortunately for you, despite you and many other SJWs screeching against Blizzard and the NBA, they havent done anything that violates the rights of others by trying to protect their markets. Casters and Pro gamers do not have the right to do whatever they please in someone elseâs venue.
Either casters and pros grow up and act professional, or they lose their job.
Do something about it LOL
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Like I said, your (and the Hearthstone celebritiesâ) actions do not do anything to support anything. It is not a small step.
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In America, its an election year. If awareness was spread well enough, and it became an issue people were interested in, it could actually change the course of the American elections, or at least become a hot enough issue that the government would have an opinion on it.
But there are still good and bad ways to try and raise awareness. Causing problems for the people giving you a public platform is one of the bad ways.
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âI donât need toâ
You donât need to because itâs not important. CCPâs actions and those standing up to it are.
âYeah, I guess technically its a circle of one here. Usually there are two or three of your type all agreeing with each other that this other thing is bad, and therefore so is everybody else who doesnât agree verbatim with everything you guys say.â
Do you find that phenomenon annoying? Maybe donât perpetuate it on your side if you feel that way.
âNah, youre the most important topic in this thread⌠Youre the one trying to advocate for action, therefore who you are and what you do directly affects everything you say.â
Iâm advocating we support those advocating for action, so even by your own logic, the player and casters who stood up to the CCP are the important topic.
âExcept all the people who arenât willing to agree with you, of course. But I guess in your mind youâve decided theyre just facets of The Enemy and not people, probably.â
If Iâm fighting you, then come up with a descriptor for what you and the 3 other guys in here disagreeing with me are doing. Iâm not going to pretend to not notice when an individual is spouting propaganda directly from the official CCP news, but Iâve remained fairly civil otherwise.
âNah, the important issue here is Blizzardâs conduct. You know, the actual thing you nominally started the thread about.â
Blizzardâs conduct with respect to a genocidal regime, whose behavior, in turn, is the reason weâre all talking in here, sure.
âBlizzard is punishing people monetarily for causing problems for blizzard. That is entirely within their rights to do.â
When causing problems is defined as taking a stand for human rights, no, blizzard is not within their rights to punish people for causing problems. Thereâs a certain heirarchy of ethical duties here, and not causing a problem for blizzard is fairly low on the list on comparison to doing something to aid the thousands of people being tortured and unjustly imprisoned by the CCP and the millions more living under its repressive shadow.
You are literally making things up here
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Yeah, see, there you go again. âIm fighting against this bad thing, therefore everything I do is automatically important and right.â
Stuff that. Get off your high horse and try and live in the real world for a while. Youre not helping anybody, youre just trying to bully people on the internet to win a cheap argument. If the cause is actually that important to you, you would be out there doing something meaningful, something that would actually help them, instead of sitting here berating people for not being offended enough about a government on the other side of the planet that we have no real immediate ability to affect one way or the other.
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âJust get out if you donât like it here.â Same line given to blacks who sat at lunch counters or in the front of the bus. Sorry but the bootlicking logic of just doing whatever the corporate fat cats tell me to do because ItS tHeIR BuSiNESs does not make logical or ethical sense. Speaking out is more powerful than leaving. Taking a stand is better than doing nothing. Me posting is better than not doing jack.
Whether you like it or not, people are doing things, while you complain and nitpick. Short of picking up a rifle and starting ww3, this is what doing something is going to look like. Cultural battles exist. I think I am not the one shying away from reality here, just because it doesnât look cool or l33t enough for you and there are no aircraft carriers firing missiles, doesnât mean people arenât fightingâŚ
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Sure, words dont matter.
Oh wait, that makes zero sense because if it were true the CCP wouldnât be cracking down on dissent left and right. I guess i will trust the authoritarian brutal regime on what they find threatening rather than you.
WHAT public platform? If you canât use your platform to say anything non-state-approved, then it doesnât count as a public platform.
Making what up? Be specific. Chinaâs ongoing genocide, organ harvesting and prison camps are well documented.
doing something =/= being a hero of social justice and trying to force your own random morals down other peoplesâ throats ON THE INTERNET
you are not taking a stand.
lol
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Thatâs not at all what a public platform is. All a public platform is, is the ability to reach large numbers of people (ie the public). When Blizzard interviews people, theyre giving them a public platform, enabling them to reach significantly larger numbers of people than they would have by themselves. In exchange, Blizzard expects their interviewees to talk about the things blizzard gave them the platform to talk about.
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Im not trying to bully anyone, i made a thread, and people chose to come here and get offended by ME being offended by human rights abuses of an authoritarian regime. Everyone is free to come and go as they please. In high school the school bully generally didnt accord people that freedom, at least until he was finished beating them up or stealing their lunch money.
If you feel bullied, I suggest you stop participating, because nothing Iâve said is bullying and therefore nothing Iâm saying is going to change, and so your feelings are probably going to be hurt some more. Not because I intend to hurt them, but because civilized discourse is somehow deeply threatening to you. Also btw, you said ânote he is not responding to me any moreâ when I stopped talking to you for 10 minutes. Which is it? Am i bullying ? If so, where is your logic in criticizing me for not continuing to bully you? Shouldnt you want me to stop interacting with you?
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youre making up what blizzard is obligated to do
youre making up a âhierarchy of ethical dutiesâ
youre making up what actions are within rights of entities
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I never claimed to be taking a stand, Iâm referring to those who effectively lost their money and jobs in order to stand up to blizzard and the CCP. Again, Iâm not the subject of discussion here.
Sure, thatâs why youre attacking peoplesâ character and insinuating that theyre connected to a criminal regime instead of actually addressing their arguments. Because you arenât a bully and your claims and stances all stand on their own merits.
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they arent taking a stand either
they are just being unprofessional
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Yes, thats what ethics are. People make them up. Its not as if a giant document was carved into the planet that shows what they are. They are created out of human thought, consensus and collaboration. They represent a form of rules for living, much as the companys corporate policy is a set of rules for doing business. To whatever extent the latter is real or significant, the former is doubly so - the greatest minds of history devoted much time and effort to ethics, while blizzâs corporate policy was created by a couple dozen lawyers.
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