An epic challenge: PPP v Reality

By the way I adamantly defended Protoss from Maru’s proxies. Oh but you forgot about that. Hmmm. You see I am guilty of your accusations not in reality, but purely in your imagination. Sorry bourne but I only discuss the facts. I literally don’t care what your fe fe’s say nor the long list of bads that I’ve done in your version of La-La-Land.

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Where is BROTOSS? Is he afraid of an APM challenge like a cow is afraid of a meatgrinder, too? Oh dear another PPP forum spammer shown to be talk-only. When the chips are on the table they know Protoss is drastically easier to play than T/Z, or a challenge like this would be a cake-walk.

Where are you, BROTOSS? You are telling me you can’t complete a simple APM challenge even when Protoss outnumbers Zerg in GM 2:1? If you can’t do it now, you’ll never be able to do it. Here is your chance!

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ITT Batz greatly overestimates how much anybody cares what he thinks.

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I have half the APM with Protoss and get almost same MMR than with my Terran (masters 4.6k)

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Join the club, buddy.

https://i.imgur.com/xDPYzzj.png
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But Apetoss have assured me that Protoss requires the highest level of micro :clown_face: when they F2 A-move their disruptors, this isn’t a mistake, we’re just not 200IQ enough to realize they’re trying to intimidate their opponents by throwing away their units. Apetoss is truly the most intelligent and capable race.

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It has been 10 days since this challenge was issued and not a single Protoss player has accepted the challenge. Apetoss avoid an APM challenge like a cow avoids a meat grinder. Now that we’ve proven even they agree APM requirements heavilly impact the difficulty of the game, can we have an honest conversation about why Protoss has lower skill metrics across the ladder? Despite objectively lower APM/EPM/Spending Skill/Multitasking, they dominate the ladder especially higher leagues. How is that not a massive design flaw?

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Man Sc is a rts not arcade you can roll 200 plus apm but efficensy of that apm equal too 50

I would take your challenge, but under one condition, you take my challenge.

Challenge description:
Because you say that APM == Skill, so without any Starcraft/Starcraft 2 knowledge, you have to get to master.

So you are not allowed to use any action that is explained in the tutorials or SC/SC2 guides.

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Kid I’ve already beaten your challenge and then some. I’ve beaten Code S players while spamming completely random build orders. When I say APM=skill, I actually know what I am talking about.

I’ve beaten JimRising with a mass slow ling flood in a ZvZ.

I’ve beaten PartinG using drones.

I’ve beaten Dark making only Zerglings.

I’ve beaten Snute with 2 base hydra rushes (LOL).

I’ve beaten pucK with 4 hatch before pool.

I’ve beaten Probe with a proxy hatchery.

I’ve beaten Byun with a 1 base ling drop rush.

I’ve beaten Kiwian (code s terran) with a 12 hatch 12 pool (LOL).

I could go on and on. Strategy does not matter. How many APMs you can hammer that strategy out with is all that matters.

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I don’t think anyone has ever said APM didn’t matter.
Protoss APM/EPM is lower compared to T/Z APM with typical builds even if the player matches their opponent’s APM when playing the same race/style, so clearly there’s more to the story than just the actual number.

The APM/EPM calculations that don’t account for things like race mechanics and what sorts of actions a person is doing. Some actions take longer to execute than others, and the number of actions that can be done extremely quickly (Eg: queue units) is somewhat limited depending on factors that aren’t consistent across races and strategies, and that can have a pretty significant impact on APM.
If one strategy/race calls for more actions that require longer time intervals, that results in a relative loss in APM/EPM, when compared to a strategy that uses more actions that require shorter time intervals, even if the actual “speed” that the two people are playing at is the same.

Ah yes, you’ve beaten better players with cheeses. That’s so impressive. I can’t believe how skilled you are. /s

All of those builds are partially a matter of luck when it comes to scouting, and even very small mistakes in the response, regardless of the relative skill/APM of the players, can be game deciding. They’re practically the definition of “strategic” victories. You made the decision to go for them probably even before seeing much of what your opponent was doing, but they didn’t have the proper response/didn’t expect them, so they lost - that’s a strategic victory far more than a mechanical skill based one.

Posts strategic victories while arguing that strategy doesn’t matter.

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Ah yes, mass slow zerglings is a “cheese”. That tells you everything you need to know about this guy’s understanding of ZvZ. FYI, kid, slow zerglings are completely and utterly decimated by pretty much anything a standard zerg makes, ranging from normal speedlings to banelings, roaches, lurkers, mutas. Beating one of the highest ranked GMs with nothing but mass slow lings is complete and total proof that strategy is literally irrelevant to this game. If you had 10,000 APM, you could win long macro games making nothing but drones.

Watch and learn:

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No, you didn’t.
To perform for example 12 pools you need knowledge of how to build buildings, unit’s and how to command units, and this is not allowed. So let me say it differently so your small brain will understand

From the start of the game, every action you take needs to be selected at random those removing your game knowledge.

So for zerg, to perform a 12 pool (_https://lotv.spawningtool.com/build/42852/) random action generator need to select actions in this order:

Game Start:
1.) Select Drone
2.) Move Drone
3.) Select build building
4.) Build Extractor
5.) Select Drone
6.) Move Drone
7.) Select build building
8.) Build Pool
9.) Select Hatchery
10.) Select build units
11.) Build Drone
12.) Build Drone
13.) Select Hatchery
14.) Build Queen
15.) Select Hatchery
16.) Select build units
17.) Build Zergling
18.) Build Zergling
19.) Build Drone
20.) Build Drone
21.) Build Drone
22.) Select Pool
23.) Build Metabolic Boost
24.) Select Hatchery
25.) Select build units
26.) Build Zergling
27.) Build Zergling
28.) Build Zergling
29.) Build Zergling
30.) Select Hatchery(if your selected larva count is 0)
31.) Select build units
32.) Build Drone
33.) Build Drone
etc.

This means that you can receive orders that will generate APM but do nothing like:
1.) Select Drone
2.) Select Drone
3.) Select Drone
4.) Select Drone
5.) Select Drone
6.) Select Drone
7.) Select Drone
8.) Select Drone
9.) Select Drone

Also, be advised that the number of Objects will impact generated order. So more Drones you have more likely you receive select Drone Order.

So are you willing to take the challenge?

Some guy once reached GM with only slowlings.

Some airplane once crashed.

So you are just another Batz’s alt ?

MaskedWords, then Cerebral then Rasputin now this ? Come on dude, get a life, find yourself a life and stop polluting this forum with your utter non-sense. Even if you have some points we are not going to help you in your league because majority of us are in gold-diamond range. Maybe go seek help on reddit ?

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It continues to be a mystery to me why Batz would think anybody at this point is interested in what he thinks, let alone be so interested as to actually go out of their way to play the game in a specific way.

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Well he think somebody gonna proof him he wrong but all stay on their own opinion

One third of this forum accounts are from Batz, I tell you that I have seen that guy liking and replying to himself with different accounts,pretty funny seeing his larping.

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So the actions necessary to perform APM are off limits during an APM challenge? :clown_face: