It reminds me of the apetoss above who said “But nobody will take on your challenge because an APM limit will cripple their ability to play the game!” and I was like “Uh, yeah, that’s the point.”
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In the previous post this imbecile was bragging about killing Medevacs with…Biles. Now this clown is trying to tell us that Pbombing or Fungaling stacked Voids is …infinitely more difficult.
The moron forgot the stupidity of the previous post.
The cognitive dissonance is strong with Apetoss
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Well yeah, obviously people only brag about really easy things they’ve accomplished and never something that is difficult. /s
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I see that you are too dense in the arithmetic department. Forget the 4 Stargates (too difficult for your underdeveloped brain).
Take a single Stargate and a Barracks: prior to producing a Marine the terran has to “float” >= 50 minerals, whereas prior to producing a Carrier the Protoss HAS to “float” 350/250.
To make more easy for morons of your type: consider a Terran that masses BC and Thors and see the spending-skill near equal with the protoss that bulds Carriers and Colossi.
Got it moron?
Right, this is the kind of nonsense I’m talking about. No one’s seems able to accept that anything can be easier about their race.
Zerg spawning macro mechanic, is undeniably the hardest: e.g. injecting hatches. Zerg spending mechanic which does the job of: CC, Barracks, Factory, Starport and the SCV making depots, is undeniably easier.
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Why, because you have to hit tab to switch between production channels? News flash zerg has loads of production channels. Hydras turn into lurkers. Lings turn into banes. Corruptors turn into broods. Queens make creep tumors.
The fact of the matter is that Zerg’s production mechanics are the hardest, the vast majority of APM from Zerg is from its mechanics and there is a clear correspondence between APM requirements and the race’s overall performance on the ladder and in tournaments. Zerg’s APM requirements make it harder than any other race, which is why it’s the least played race on the ladder and has the lowest performance in every metric ranging from GM to premier tournament wins.
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Are you assume that people saying APM/=Skill don’t know that this game have “REAL TIME COMPONENT”
Whole premise of the sentence APM/=Skill assume:
A - you are Avrage human
B - you control your apm to be between 50 and 150 and your average is 100 at the end of the game.
So the only variable is game knowledge.
Watch the video you linked then look at this graph once again. Don’t reply to me again until you have read this graph and fully understand it. I am not going to argue a topic you clearly do not understand. Find the APM chart. Find the 100 apm line and trace it with your finger to the low end of masters league. Can you do that? Is reading graphs too difficult for the PPP?
https://i.imgur.com/mYGBZLz.png
Unless WinterSC matches or exceeds his MMR with 1/4 of his normal APM, he has not met this challenge and has in fact confirmed it. He gave himself more APM than allowed, and still didn’t match his normal MMR. His MMR is smack dab in the region of MMR that 100 apm players tend to be in. His results confirms this data.
Thats how average works,if he only was allowed to reach 50apm at any moment the he would end having an average of 25 apm becaise a lpt of ti.e he would barely click becase not at every moment you must be spamming clicks. If tou watch the video you can see the average count on the score screen (it shows you the seasons average), and during game he tried to not spam.
That’s the point. A person with the APM capacity of 25 can’t magically shoot it up to 500 when he needs to. Do you need 500 apm for a few seconds to micro some marines? Can you cut back on your APM elsewhere to keep your average below 100 apm? Too freaking bad. No cheating allowed in this challenge.
Of course they are. This is why you and I could never have a civil discussion. You even insist that Zerg has harder micro than Terran, lol. God forbid we ever admit That Zerg isn’t so insanely difficult that you need 15 hands and a 220 IQ to even play at the platinum level.
Imagine I just want you to admit that there are only some things that are more difficult and imagine that those aren’t the ones that require a lot of APM (injecting is little to no APM–difficult, using a repeating keyboard to produce 200 Zerglings is high APM–easy).
Currently doing 4 times as well as Terran in Premiers… Just dwarfed by Protoss.
After being used to win everything, winning about only half looks like nothing. For sure T could get some buff aimed to tvp, their situation lools similar to the one P had when Trap didn’t win things, maybe a couple of premiers per year,although maru screwed up a bit during his final vs rogue.
Yes. I acknowledge the facts while you only acknowledge what is politically correct regardless of whether it is true (usually it isn’t).
Oh sorry is it Terran that is least in GM, tournament wins etc? When did that happen? Oh wait it’s not, it’s zerg, and it’s because zerg is harder. That’s the reality, bourne. The race is so incredibly difficult nobody even plays it on the ladder. 74% of GM ladder games have a Protoss in them.
There aren’t enough premier finals to be statistically valid. Protoss wins 2:1 compared to terran and 4:1 compared to zerg, terran is 2:1 compared to zerg in major/premier events combined.
I’ve acknowledged how much harder Zerg is now, at the GM level. Even harder than Terran. Why? Because the facts changed due to a patch, so my opinion changed.
You stayed on Zerg being the hardest no matter what the over-performed in. When they got the majority in GM? Hardest! They had the highest overall ladder performance? That just means that all the skilled players played Zerg! 60+% of Permier Tournament for multiple years from multiple different players? Hardest/UP. 5 out of 8 at Blizzcon? Must be because of how under-powered they are.
Can you acknowledge that Zerg micro is now more difficult? Or are you really going to claim the race with move-click micro (cyclones and bcs) and basic stim and split micro is as difficult as the race that has to do the same split micro but also skill shot moving targets with biles, fungals, and do loads of spellcasting like transfuse, parasitic bomb, etc? All of which only requires the terran to do more basic split micro.
You have to remember, bourne, the majority of GM accounts at that time were from the pro players. In the foreign scene Zerg was the most popular. In korea Zerg was underrepresented in GM, and it was the golden standard for balance because it was head and shoulders above the rest of the world.
We’ve hashed this out before, bourne and I can still tell you are bitter about the facts. The fact is that you take the popular stance, and I take the realistic stance. Premier tournament wins have never indicated balance on their own, period. They are statistically invalid due to A) their low numbers and B) other factors that are much more impactful than balance such as skill representation (Serral was protected from the insane skill of Innovation and Maru the majority of his career).
Innovation thrashed Serral in the finals of WESG. We’re not talking about peak Innovation, either. We’re talking about 6.6k Innovation, not 7k Innovation. The idea that premier event wins are valid markers of balance when Blizzard literally banned people like Innovations from tournaments because he was to freaking good is just nuts. The region lock alone had more impact on the outcome of events than balance did. They were NOT a valid indicator of balance. Sorry. That’s the fact of it. So if you disagree, then you are taking the politically correct but factually incorrect stance.
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See this is what I’m getting at. You never seem to acknowledge any of the struggles that the other races have. Everything they have is just sooooo easy. For me? I acknowledge all kinds of struggles Zerg has.
See what I’m saying? Look at what my assessment is:
Terran:
Hardest micro
Difficult, tight early game builds
Easy mid game Macro mechanics (5aaaaaaaaad)
Difficult late game army control, maybe the hardest, but Zerg is also incredibly challenging
Hardest up until the Masters level, WAS hardest at M1/GM until somewhat recently, now maybe Zerg
Easiest decision making (except TVT)
Zerg:
Easiest mid game micro, but it’s composition dependent (Roach Rav Ling Bane is NOT easy)
Difficult spawning macro mechanic (Injecting vs Chrono or Mules)
Easy spending macro mechanic
Hardest decision making (Except ZVZ, where micro is more the focus)
Very difficult late game control (maybe the most difficult, now that IT spam is no longer a thing)
Now, by comparison let’s look at your assessment:
Hardest micro: Zerg
Hardest macro spawning mechanic: Zerg
Hardest macro spending mechanic: Zerg
Hardest Late game: Zerg
Hardest decision making: Zerg
Reason they have the lowest representation in lower leagues: More skilled players
Reason they have the lowest representation in GM league: Too difficult
Reason they won 60% of Tournaments for the last 3 years: they were under-powered (even though won by 5 to 6 different players)
Reason they had the lion’s share of GM players at one point: They were all just more skilled…
You see how this is going?
Kid Zerg is 20% in GM and Protoss is 50%. Time to stop saying “but but but apetoss has it hard too!”. They don’t and stop saying otherwise. It is factually false.
I didn’t say Protoss was hard. They used to have their struggles in PVZ, but nowadays even my GM Zerg friend has a hard time beating my (offrace) Protoss. Even still, some things are more difficult for them than Zerg, but they are few and far between.