Why was mass rez removed

[MetalGearMA4-1683]

Still no where near convinced. Sorry.

[KucingIsCat-1260]

Seems that we play different game

[Izzy-12460]

Basically because of your first poster.
IDEK why the heck it was removed rather than reworked. It can’t be balanced as an ability, they should’ve adjusted it to maybe only res 2-3 people max at a time.
The current ult for Mercy is excessively boring to use. At least Res was a lot more fun and required more thought other than flying around like a braindead pigeon for 15 seconds.

[SidewaysGts-1926]

Why should people feel that perfectly executing ultimates, with coordinated teamplay should be canceled out because someone pressed a do-over button?

Seems like a “you shouldn’t get attached to the idea that your ultimate will have a lot of impact, except for Mercy. Feel pitty for Mercy because her ultimate isn’t impactful. Even though she’d played a ton at high levels.”.

I know we don’t always agree on things my friend-

But we certainly do here.

It’s… intriguing? Seeing people say things like “well if they used too many ultimates and got it reversed by mercy it was their fault”

The fact that someone can say hey- you should’ve used just a COUPLE ultimates. Then let her res. THEN used more ultimates to counter that res! But you didn’t! So you messed up!

Is mind boggling.

It undermines how difficult it is to actually get THAT degree of value from any Dps ult. If they ever get a full team wipe many other things had to come into play. Either s large misplay on the recipients end, or the forced expenditure of all resources that could’ve prevented it, often necessitating other ultimates prior to do so. It also inlays contradictory implications of res. They’ll tell you how counterable and preventable it is. But thenbasically so acknowledge it was GOING to go off, and it’s your fault for over spending ults when you knew it was going to go off anyways and didn’t save anything to respond to that afterwards.

Within the real context of overwatch and how things NORMALLY went- you typically literally had a single ultimate that swooped in and reserved the outcome of multiple other ultimates. That’s huge part of why it was frustrating, and why it was changed.

[MetalGearMA4-1683]

Looking at your stats, it’s like you have never played comp. I last played comp a couple of seasons ago and my sr still shows up on overbuff. Yours doesn’t show up at all. Because of that, I’m assuming you have never played comp enough in order to actually have an sr, which mostly shows why that’s your position.

[what-21551]

1 ult that could bring 5 people back to life is unfun.

It sounds like you’re suggesting that some ults are supposed to be fun to play against.
”Oh look it’s high noon! This is a blast!”

[RedHood-11285]

”Oh look it’s high noon! This is a blast!”

Really… Referencing the worst ult in the game?

[what-21551]

”Oh look, Deathblossom! This is a blast!”

[KucingIsCat-1260]

I’m a qp only guy.

[MetalGearMA4-1683]

That’s fine. I’m just pointing out why our opinions are different. The reality is, all of the people here are talking mostly about comp.

[Arcalias-2773]

@MrWallygator-1196

most mercys would hide and let their team die and just swoop in and rez, […] along with encouraging mercy to not heal the team, but to hide.

@Xeiom-2558

There is a dev video that explains the reasons but it did boil down to optimal Mercy gameplay was often to hide (and not heal because that reveals your location) as soon as you got ult then tell your team to die together.

@Hige-1101

Mercys all over high rank were telling their teams to go and die on point while they waited, the strategy had one single counter, hunt Mercy

@Heavy-11335

there’s literally no denying that old Resurrect encouraged bad game design

@Top-12783

the old rez would promote hiding somewhere and letting your teammates die rather than trying to keep them alive, which completely goes against the point of a healer and wasnt fun to play as.

The original version of resurect, yet many people claiming it, never encouraged hide and rez. It was only a poor strategy which was literally countered by playing normally. Furthermore, this strategy was used by a large minority of players, since the best Mercy players understood its non-viability compared to tempo rezing.

If you want more detailed explainations, you can found them right here:

"Hide and rez" VS playing properly

@Arcalias-2773

Allright.
A lot of people still seem to think Mercy 1.0 gameplay was only about “hide and rez” so I’m going to explain you how I see the game (and every other game aswell) because in my opinion it is so logical I can’t even imagine how to not understand this concept.

Let’s talk about resources.
Every skill represents a resource. Overwatch is about using the resource you have in order to force your oponent to run out of their own resources so that you can win a fight, and then, the match.
There are different types of resources:

• Free to use (basically every left click/right click/passive and every ability that does not have any cooldwon)

• Cooldown based

• Ultimates

In general case Free to use < Cooldown based < Ultimates in terms of power and value you can get from it.


The whole point is trying to use the least resource possible to get the best benefits from it. Starting from there, your objective is to trade some of your resources against your oponents resources. Using a single resource to cancel what your ennemy does with 2 or more resources is a trade in your favor (actually it is a bit more complex because every resource does not have the same value, but we can still say using a not very powerful resource to counter a much powerful resource is a trade in your favor).

People are saying: “it is powerful/broken to deliberately let your teammates die then resurect them” which we can rephrase into “it is a trade in your favor to not use your hero’s free to use resources before using your ultimate resource”

Let’s examinate the 2 possibilities (sorry this might be long)

1. You are not using your free to use resources before using your ultimate

If you do not use your “free to use” resources (which is an unlimited source of resource) then you are not forcing your ennemy to use theirs to counter it.

Simple example: You are not healing Reinhardt who is fighting in a 1v1 against Winston. Assuming Winston is only left-clicking, Reinhardt suffers 60 dps.

2. You are using your free to use resources before using your ultimate

You are spending your unlimited type of resource which is forcing the ennemy to use more resources to get an advantage over you.

Again, same example: Reinhardt vs Winston.
Winson’s left click is completly canceled by your healing, meaning he will 100% loose this fight if he doesn’t use any other resource. => You are forcing him to use something if he doesn’t want to die.


Then, refusing to heal your teammates before resurecting is a bad way to play.
It will be easier for your oponents to win the fight than if you were healing meaning they might not be forced to use their ultimates. Ultimates they have saved as a resource to counter your ultimate resource when you will use it.

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Here’s a quick example of a teamfight thinking about resources:
Both teams have charged up all their ultimates. The fight is going to engage.
Assuming free to use resources from team A perfectly counters free to use resources from team B. Same for cooldown based.

1. Mercy from team A decides to go for hiding and wait until her team dies.
Team A is left 5v6 and their free to use + cooldown based resources no longer perfectly cancels the ones of team B.
The fight ends up by team A loosing the fight after using 4 ult vs team B using only 3 ults (noone died from team B).
Mercy comes and uses her ultimate to reset a new fight and now team A has 1 ultimate left, against 3 for team B. Now free to use + cooldown based resources are equal for both teams.
Who wins ?

2. Mercy from team A decides to take part to the fight.
As free to use resources + cooldown based perfectly cancels itselves, the outcome of the fight will depend on how each team uses their ultimates.
Victory is possible for both teams.

People saying “hide and rez” is broken are basically saying team B uses 6 ults to win the fight against only 5 people. But in fact their regular abilities are enough to get an advantage over team A. And when team A uses their ults to try to change the issue of the fight in their favor, team B only has to use as much ultimates as team A did to counter it.

[Sorry for the huge post, I wanted to be as clear as possible so I detailled everything.]

TL; DR
“Hide and rez” strategy is only viable against poor teamworking, as mentionned a billion times.

#Revert Mercy

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@Xeiom-2558

With a 5 man Rez, if she is viable then she is mandatory and Overwatch really shouldn’t have mandatory picks.

@Mj711-2640

Because gameplay. A mercy sitting back, doing nothing just waiting for own team to dies to just pup up and press Q and basically win the game.

@RedHood-11285

Mass rez was stupidly overpowered. How do you justify being invulnerable while instantly reviving 5 teammates who have ultimates.

This is probably why she had around 0% ~ 5% pickrate before her rework, and even less at pro play.
Please. You won’t fool anyone with this.

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@Kilo-11363

It wasn’t fun to play against

@Mj711-2640

There was no balance in that, specially no fun in that.

@SidewaysGts-1926

Mass res was Frustrating for a lot of players.

You are saying that “It wasn’t fun to play against”, I dare you to give me one ultimate which is fun to play against.

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@Cerberus-11283

Mass Rezz was a broken and stupidly OP mechanic, I Played alot of Rein back then And dear god. Did it tilt me off the face of the planet.

@ƑĿǞŊƘĬŊǦZƐŊǃ-1912

Terrible and broken game mechanic. Mostly removed because of the terrible aspect but it was still broken

Could you explain how resurecting someone is a “broken and stupidly OP mechanic” while most of the heroes being able to instantly wipe a team isn’t ?

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@SidewaysGts-1926

Many of those “team wiping ults” are very VERY difficult to use against entire teams and require giant misplays.

Mass res did not.

Mass rez literally needed your primary healer, one of the most defenseless hero in the game, to live through an obliterating storm of 4-6 ultimates.
If not being able to kill the most defenseless hero with 4-6 ultimates is not a missplay, I don’t know what it is.

@GreyFalcon-11737

Why should people feel that perfectly executing ultimates, with coordinated teamplay should be canceled out because someone pressed a do-over button?

Explain me how your “perfectly executed ultimates, with coordinated teamplay” didn’t manage to kill Mercy ?

@Heavy-11335

That’s way, way too strong of a singular ability, especially one where all you need to do is watch a number go up and press Q when it’s the number you like.

If you were playing Mercy as you described it, you were either:

• Playing against people who have no clue about target prioritisation, maybe against bot
• Always dead due to enemies knowing to kill you as fast as possible

All you needed to do was surviving long enough while healing your team as much as possible in order to resurect those you couldn’t keep alive.
And that was not easy, unless playing against poorly coordinated teams.

@Heavy-11335

So in a situation where a team uses many resources in the right situation, why should one resource be allowed to reverse all that?

If a team “uses many resources in the right situation” how did this team not manage to kill Mercy ?

@Top-12783

it wasnt fun to play against because if you coordinated 2 ultimates for a team wipe or got a clutch ultimate off, she could just rez everyone and it didnt matter what your team did, so it was a very defeating feeling.

If you wiped the team, how is Mercy still alive ?


Like this argument of “this wasn’t fun to play against because she can undo a teamwipe” is not only false, but also distorts the reality.
If you use many ults and succeed in killing the whole enemy team except Mercy, leaving her able to resurect her team, it’s your fault for not being able to kill Mercy despite using many ults and therefore you got outplayed.
But people make it sound like “it’s unfair that she is able to undo so many ults” while they should think “she played very well by staying alive through our ults, we had bad target prioritisation, so it is fair that she is rewarded for that”.

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@Meowjoker-1311

And also the amount of fire each successful res Mercy gets. A 3-4 men rez will get her a full bar of fire, which means great performances, and by the SR system, that player will get a very high amount of SR per win, and lost a low amount of SR when they lose.

Unfortunately, this is true, but a broken SR system is not a reason to rework a hero.

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@Heavy-11335

Do you see how this rework completely changed that, so that Mercy now has power distributed much more evenly across her kit instead of a majority of it being wrapped up in a single ultimate?

You’re right, now Mercy’s kit (except her staff & GA) have its power distributed much more evenly: Resurect is near unsuable, and Valkyrie is worthless.
What a successful rework !

[RedHood-11285]

“Oh look you’re bringing back everyone I killed because you didn’t heal them with nothing I can do about it,”

[what-21551]

Nice job, you quoted a boosted Mercy. The rest of us, on the other hand, said:

”Oh. The enemy team is gonna have a few ults. Time to hide and let them waste their ults!”

Mass Rez was either a complete failure or well placed. It was a 50/50 gamble. You could be hiding and the enemy team realised this, and once in a while they would ACTUALLY counter her Rez.

[Sandity-1715]

you wanna see crutches? how about genjis massive deflect hitbox that only recently got fixed after 2 years of it being absurdly huge

[RedHood-11285]

This is probably why she had around 0% ~ 5% pickrate before her rework, and even less at pro play.

Please. You won’t fool anyone with this.

You must be a fool or not actually played the game back then, No one was good at Ana, Lucio had weak heals and Zen was punishing. That left you with everyone playing Mercy for the consistent heals and mass rez, which was literally every game in season 2 and 3. Since I main Ana we always had two main healers for tank meta.

[RedHood-11285]

They left it like that so the kids who like anime and ninjas can cheese their way to an outplay.

[Sandity-1715]

is it really an outplay when your deflecting damage with a hitbox the size of a slightly reduced rein shield

[Magnusjun-2541]

No Mercy main actually participated

[RedHood-11285]

Well the Devs play the game…Maybe they like anime and ninjas too? wink wink

[Sandity-1715]

I’m more into space cowboy’s

See ya space cowboy