that’s revisionist history past rose tinted glasses and you know it. The bulk of teams are not asking for “flex” to one more DPS or anything OTHER than we need a 2nd support, we need a main tank, can we get 2nd tank etc.
Then that need, doesn’t just go away for the rest of the game. So you might “flex” with in the role one already, errrr flexed (I would argue that’s more fill than flex) to at the start but that’s about it.
Needed a main tank. So go Rein to get the first cap on Hollywood. Then widowmaker is a problem on street stage so one “can flex” to Winston. Then maybe back to Rein at the end.
but you just don’t tend to see any sort of wide range flex over roles THAT have 2 of that role already, being it’s just not needed. Outside of “Screw this team” and *cough flexing to +1 more DPS.
Yeah we would lose the lame stall swaps and going all speed heroes for a last touch or bastion cheese in the last few second. I’m fine with that.
there are lots of reasons to dislike 2-2-2 but the idea of losing flex players just sort of rings rather hallow.
I would appreciate if you not speak for me. I enjoy flexing for the very reason that I love solving problems. I don’t roll my eyes before hitting the h key to change hero’s. I get excited to test my ability to access a problem and solve it.
Thanks for calling me a liar I guess? I honestly do not find myself stuck in a role for the entire game very often. The majority of the time I play upwards of 3-4 hero’s a match.
Edit: mistaken identity.
I mean if you find no value in what flex players do then I guess we are done talking. No convincing you.
Except there are very little problems which can only be solved with cross role flex when role queue is involved.
Currently people flex to tank or healer because they have none, or only one which cant shoulder the job alone because maybe they decided to flex and arent simply good enough in that role
You can still flex within your role to efficiently deal with problem heroes on the enemy team.
The odds against the enemy team are still even as they are limited within their role just like you are.
Incorrect. Many times the enemy team has an answer to the pick you would use within the same role. Making that not a good pick for you to go with and making a cross role pick more ideal.
Not to mention the situations in which you and a teammate need to switch roles due to differences in ability.
I find myself to be a competent hitscan. Often times the dps on my team aren’t. Invery often propose a switch between me and the other person. Thus filling the role through flex across multiple roles.
There are plenty of opportunities to flex cross roles and plenty of reasons to do so considering the varying nature of the game.
Thats the exact reason why role queue is better because people who play dps are actually at the skill lvl their SR suggests. They can implement role based SR. Your hitscan teammate in the current system might not be good enough because he got where hes at by flexing and just decided to play dps for once.
It will not work out that way as your wins and losses will be more out of your hands an almost entirely on the hope that those in the other roles do theirs.
Flex players are a mitigator of this issue. Removing flex means removing that mitigation.
You are always dependend on your teammates doing their job, but role queue will improve matchmaking by giving you teammates at their respective SR for the role they want to play and not roll a dice where you might get a Mercy main trying to bring his McCree.
True. However without flexing the dependency will INCREASE exponentially as the options available to you as an individual will decrease. Even more so for anyone who tanks or supports as the options for them are far more limited.
Its not increased dependency. You get to play the role youre best at and have the biggest impact on while at the same time it guarantees you that your teammates play the roles they want to play.
If you flex from main tank to dps because your dps sucks, like it is in the current system, then you try to solve one issue by creating another because suddenly you dont have a main tank on your team and your supports on the team might think youre throwing the game.
If you distrust your teammates from the start even with improved matchmaking where dps players get to play dps and you dont have to fear that a tank or support player suddenly decides to play dps on your team, then there is still LFG.
Once again. Not true for everyone. I am best at the flex role. I will not be able to flex as it is no longer available. Throwing flex players under the bus because THEY are not the stubborn ones is nonsense.
I’ve experienced this and won despite it. Mostly because I chose something that could fill both roles to a certain degree.
Its not a matter of trust. Its a matter of versatility. Many players have proven to either not be willing or unable to be versatile. Which is why flex is needed. Flex would not be needed if people who chose the dps role diversified their hero picks enough to deal with problems.
Same with people who have chosen the tank and support roles to main.
Many people don’t diversify at all within a role. Resulting in the need for flex players.
The forums can be interpreted as a hive mind. Also, I am willing to guess that Brig would be banned pretty consistently as well as Sombra.
Yes, but if there is a meta, like GOATs, people will want to follow that meta and ban those that counter it. In OWL, the entire first stage was mostly GOATs.
Universally is an exaggeration, but there are heroes that the majority of the player base doesn’t like to play against, like Brig and Sombra.
Unless there is a meta that completely dominates all other team comps in most cases, like GOATs. People like to follow metas.
People will post any line of reasoning to disagree - “unless there is a meta that completely dominates”… its still a game about flexing, even then. The game was clearly designed, metas or not, to flex around. Don’t twist your neck off trying to dispute the clear design of the game. There is no intention by Blizzard that only “X” characters should be played at one time as part of a “meta”, that is an unfortunate side effect of a too-open system with too many permutations, thus they find this broken set of mechanics for GOATs and stick to it… all the more reason for 2/2/2…
Then why do one tricks exist? Then why does the majority of the player base not actually flex? Then why did every team in OWL play GOATs in the first stage with few exceptions?