I don’t think that’s how it was explained.
A damage boosted Dragonstrike does not out-damage trans – it does enough damage that if anyone were to sneeze on them (like Reinhardt melee, Firestrike, etc) it would be enough to kill them.
Which is usually the exception you want when you use grav.
Trans counters the combo quite often. It only doesn’t when all 3 can actually work together to pull it off.
D.va is still quite often played. Moira is often played and can escape it entirely. And positinoing, no matter what the meta, is always important.
Defence Matrix and deflect can counter it, but they never felt like reliable counters - even when Dva and Genji were more meta. Both abilities need to be off cool down and timed right - honestly how many times have you seen Genji reflect a grav?
Over all Zarya counters Dva more than Dva counters Zarya too.
Positioning isn’t really a counter - Zarya can just wait for the moment when at least two people get close enough together. Its not lke you can spread out after she fired it, besides that - so many aspects of the game encourage you to be grouped up somewhat.
You basically just rely on Zarya either holding it cause they want a 5 man, or miss-using it - that isn’t counterplay.
Okay lets look at the pick rates of these heroes in gm then, where the best people are. Dva who say is played quite often is at 1.27% and moira is at 1.65%. Now rein, zarya, mercy, hanzo, zen are all over 12%. And so what if moira can live to the grav while her team died, the fight is still over. Dva isnt worth playing with the chance to eat a grav, all she does is feed ult charge all game while shooting a rein shield.
What rank are you? I mean, i know that Ana is not strong, but is not like Ana is not played at all in comp, in diamond theres some Ana players, i play Zarya and the combos are really easy to execute wich is my main complaint, why such combo is so powerful but easy to execute?
And i’m not saying that both teams should run Ana, but a team with Ana has more power with this combo
GM = 1% of the player base. Master = 3% of the player base.
D.va is still a valuable tank to have. The only reason she would not be played is to substitute her for Zarya to see who can get the grav + dragon combo off first as you would never want to replace you main tank slot with D.va.
If you can decide that you don’t need the grav + dragon combo yourself, you can quite easily counter it. It isn’t hard.
And the top is where people play the meta the most, looking at ranks where most people are, gold and plat, people can run whatever they want, its always been like that. Its almost as if when players get better and understand the game more, they play more meta cuz thats how you win. And if you can “quite easily counter it, it isnt that hard” how come the top ranks cant counter it? And they just mirror comp so its a level playing field? There is no reason to have a dva right now instead of zarya, assuming you care about having the best chance of winning.
PS Im aware not many people are masters+
how bout we buff heros that can help deal with it or escape entirely instead of just constantly asking for nerfs to whatever is meta at the moment. Constant buffs isn’t good but neither is constant nerfs.
Hanzo wasn’t meta back then.
Now he is, hence the complaining.
A majority of that 1% want to take advantage of an ability that can team wipe. They are more likely to pull the combo off. They want to win as quickly as possible. As such you see the came comp mirrored on both sides. This happens in OWL. But as some teams in OWL have proven, you don’t have to mirror the same team comp. You can, in fact, run a comp that is “off meta” and win, even if it takes a little longer.
The argument that “there is no counter play” boils down to this: There is counter play if you are willing to play a different comp. But if you are not willing to do that, all of a sudden “there is no counter play”.
IMO, even though the top 1% are highly skilled players, they are among the least flexible.
Blizzard designed this game where if you want to counter something you switch heroes. They did not intend for 6 heroes to be played 100% of the time, as the 1% insist upon all the time.
We have gone over this, there is currently no counter play to grav dragon when that team is running the meta comp of rein, zarya, hanzo, mercy, zen, brig. Would love to know what comp of 6 heroes you think can actually counter that meta comp. Many of the top players are not inflexible, they just play the meta cuz thats the highest chance of winning. Maybe would rather play tracer, and mccree atm, but there is no point because its bad vs the meta.
Counter play = pick a hero that counters. If you cannot change the heroes you play, you are playing the game wrong. Full stop
Rein, D.va, Pharah, Soldier/Mcree, Mercy, Moira.
D.va eats grav. Pharah eats Brig, and pretty much anyone else because you don’t have the hitscan. Hanzo might be able to hit the Pharah, but he’ll have a hard time with Mercy pocketing him, especially if Pharah plays more at range and uses buildings as cover.
That’s not a very fair assessment if you plan for both the Hanzo AND Zarya to be standing still for the duration of the dragon/grav combo. No one would do that even in the most bottom of wood tier.
This is only taking into affect the Hanzo+Zarya at this point, add mercy and 3 others and it becomes really easy to burst through transcendence when lining up a guaranteed head shot does double damage.
it feels like the majority on these forums don’t think beyond “nerf the meta heros” in terms of balance lmao
And there is a reason 5 of the 6 heroes have insane pick rates. Dva eating a grav will be very rare, she will feed ult to zarya and hanzo all game. She has to get close to do dmg, brig will stun her and she will be dead all game. Soldier is awful right now, just a worse hanzo who can only shoot shields all game and suffers vs armor, which brig has plenty. Moira has good healing but thats it, and with barriers everywhere it will be hard to get healing energy back, also her ult wont save her team from much dmg and can be stunned and interrupted.
Yes, pharmacy can actually be very annoying for the meta comp, and if its a big issue someone will prob swap widow and shut her down. So i still dont see how that will counter the meta. It is meta for a reason.
Because there was an actual counter back then. Now when Hanzo is potentially meta, there is no counter.
Exactly! There is counter play.
It’s becoming clear that you do not understand how the meta comp plays, so we can just agree to disagree then, what you said might work in silver and gold but it does not apply vs people running the meta comp at a decent rating. There are a reason why the pick rates in gm has 5 heroes picked so much more often than anything else, and why dva, moira, soldier, mccree, and pharah all have low pick rates. The 5th most picked hero is at 12.22% the 8th most picked is at 2.41%. This has been the most polarizing meta we have had yet.
If it was an easy way to counter the meta the pick rates would be different. But im done going back and forth with this.
It’s like Mercy, kill the Ana first.