With the major buffs to Genji’s kit, and the major nerf to Moira’s damage (and recent nerfs to her hit), it feels like Genji can get the upper hand more frequently than he should.
With an extra second to stick around versus Moira and enhanced Secondary Fire, it feels like Genji players are finally able to outplay the entire support roster, and this is not healthy for the support role.
Idk who decided to buff Genji and nerf Moira in the same patch, but this is not the way to go.
Genji should never be able to overpower Moira without considerable effort or a Nano boost. This is inherent balance which is integral for the support role as a whole to function.
Don’t even get me started on tracer — if these Moira changes go live, Tracer’s meta status will be solidified and she will once again feel oppressive to backlines in every rank below GM/OWL.
This is why no one plays tank anf support. Dps need nerfs, tanks need buffs. Do they really think Tanks and Supports like being bullied by constant burst damage and CC?
A flanker countering a support like it was before Moira was added is normal.
Flankers have been designed to kill supports so if it’s the other way around that’s show there is a problem.
Genji should ALWAYS counter Moira and not the other way around
No, but dps players are the largest fraction of the OW playerbase and blizzard knows this so a lot of patches and balance changes are designed with the damage player’s ego in mind. Whatever improves the experience of the dps player is most likely to make it into the game.
No, you don’t understand. Flankers should not be able to counter the entire support role while they only have a crippled means of fighting back. This is extremely unhealthy for the game, and why Moira and Brigitte were crafted to begin with.
Symmetra initially fulfilled the role of flanker deterrent, but did not output heals so players complained until Moira was made.
Title is mild clickbait, but I’m trying to highlight the fact that support is being weakened too much and is beginning to feel powerless against flankers.
I want Genji tracer “baby’s first high skill dive” meta back as much as the next guy, but not like this…
Not at the expense of the support role’s self-defence.
Moira was one of those supports made to not be countered by flankers tho. Being genji should not means "i counter all heroes from that role, it means i always counter 2/6 of WHOLE OTHER TEAM no matter what.
Hell no. Genji should not counter every support role just because he’s a ninja. It is this backwards thinking which inspires many a Moira hate thread, and why Brigitte continued to get nerfs.
Players have already proven that they are incapable of guarding their support heroes in all but the highest tiers, so the support role needs tools to defend itself.
Lucio is nearly unkillable if you don’t go at least 2v1 for any flanker
Zenyatta and Ana are 50/50 mu where the more skilled player wins
Mercy as a 2sec cd escape so you need to be 2 on her too
Same for moira you need dmg + cc to kill her
GOOD supports can defend themselves
Bad supports tho.
And I will say that Dva and Winston are far worse to deal with than Genji or Tracer as a support because of how tanky they are and winston can also instantly midlife any support too
The average player needs reliable tools to fight back.
I’m a highly skilled Lucio/Brigitte (and support in general) player, but I’m concerned for the plats, golds, and silvers out there. The average, below average, and the trash players who play with awful teammates who don’t realize that defending supports is a necessity.
They don’t want to hear this. The truth is Moira and Brig were put in the game for the bad support crowd. The only support who was ever a free kill was Mercy if you caught her without a GA target.
The same obtuse people who claim supports are free kills also see absolutely no problem with Moira having a free kill on Genji with zero skill involved. Hypocrites finally getting the rug pulled out from under them.