Yes, you clearly aren’t angling to make this about mass rez.
I’ll try to make it as simple as possible for you. Yes, he said that support ultimates need to be so powerful because of how strong the offensive ones are. He then further went on to explain that he feels ultimates are too strong across the board and often make you feel like you’ve already lost the next fight before it begins (15:00 - 15:30 of the video is a good example of this).
You’ve somehow spun this, by trying to quote one line out of context, that supports need more powerful ultimates, and that mass rez is a good example of what we need again.
In other words, more Ad hominem? Okay then, thanks for projecting your opinion! With the fact that you had to use the “Your username” as a point of argument, I believe you no longer have a rebuttal and have lost your credibility in this discussion. We really are done here, but it was fun trying to discuss matters with you in a civil way!
Nope! It was brought up because I made a point that there was an ability that undid ult spam, and that Mass res was such an ability. I never suggested that it come back in this discussion, but good attempt there!
That last part is your own assumption, and I’ve already debunked it, so I won’t repeat myself there. The rest is neither to do with offensive ults / support ults / or mass res. He points out the problem of “Most Qs win.” And I agree with him on it. There is no other ability that countered this problem without being made stronger and stronger to stop them, other than Mass res (and that’s not bias there, that’s fact).
I never said “Oh this means we need to have mass res back!” My point was merely bringing that up as hilarious, and pointing out that mass res is the one ability that could have stopped them without the need for drastic changes across all ults across the board, and it’s the one he vouched to have removed, and is essentially kicking himself for it when he’s now complaining about the “Ult spam” we’re dealing with today. Whether I want it back or not is irrelevant, the fact remains that that was an ability that had the “stopping power” without needing to completely change everyone else’s ults to deal with said “Most Qs win” issue.
That’s a fair way to think about it. In my view, based on him saying that he thinks that “ults are too powerful across the board.” I don’t think he was asking for the current ults to be “used more strategically”, but rather, to be nerfed across the board or for supports to have something that negates the amount of damage output.
I think what has me thinking as such is when he goes into detail on Offensive ults vs support ults, and how “one is so strong, that the other needs to be strong just to stop them.” I believe his issue with “Q spamming” and “whoever has the most Qs wins” is a very real and fair example, and I completely agree with him there. I see this a lot in my games as well, and I’m no where near Top 500. I’ve been speaking on this as well, on how the issue currently is how linerar games have become. That essentially it’s “Whoever has the biggest loads of ults wins.” I believe that takes away from the gameplay, and I’m not sure if just “using them more strategically” is enough to solve that problem, or if it even is a fixable problem.
Humans are creatures of habit, and take the path of least resistance. And if the solution isn’t to introduce ults that stop this behavior, I wouldn’t be surprised if all ultimates are in fact weaker across the board to compensate with the amount of Ult spam we have in our games. I suppose the other option would be what you mentioned in that they could make Ults more in-depth - which could also help with the stagnation of “Q spam to win.” I’m all for that idea as well, and some more dynamic ults would be awesome. With how much work that would entail though, I’m not sure if that is a realistic goal (literally you would be reworking every ult in the game and then balancing them all so none of them become OP). But this is just my opinion and you are free to disagree. Just giving my 2 cents on it!
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I don’t doubt they’ve seen the video, and really I’m just asking for them to respond because I think it would be nice to hear what they think about the issue
Maybe the solution to this problem would be to have everyones ult charge 100% slower.
(p.s.this is just a joke)
but ults right now have more value in the game than outplaying soemone.It’s no longer a game of skill.It’s a game of Qs
He is just burnt out. You can play tracer into brig as much as you can pharah into widow. I enjoy the game as much as ever. I find it very balanced and nuanced.
I’m not fond of Seagull, but the whole video applied to Symmetra and her players.
I love Mercy, but the woman is fine and Symmetra players have actual issues that need to be addressed that would make the game a better experience for everyone.
I’m so tired of choosing Symmetra and my team writing me off on sight, ignoring my tp, saying we need a healer @me, or the enemy seeing my Symmetra and immediately switching to monkey to hamper my existence and then I feel guilty for choosing my favorite hero in the first place because even if I switch it’s too late because I tried to make Symmetra work.
well, monkey mostly just counters sym’s turrets, sym herself still fares pretty well against him. then there’s the issue that people are still treating sym like a support, which she isn’t, that’s on them really, not you
I’ve been staring at this page for 2 hours, I should probably go do something else. please try to keep the convo civil, and don’t try to twist other people’s words to back up your own agendas, thanks
Did he not remember all the Reaper players complaining that they were hard countered by D.Va?
Or the Symmetra players hard countered by Winston?
Or the Bastions hard countered by every sniper in the game?
On top of what you said, another thing he said bothered me: he said that if he plays Pharah, he has the option of outplaying the enemy hitscan if he’s good enough, right after saying that a Tracer countered by Brigitte has no choice but to switch, even if she’s getting kills, sticking pulse bombs, etc.
Like, what is the difference between a Pharah outplaying a game full of hitscan and a Tracer outplaying Brigitte? Again, he waves off the argument that it doesn’t matter if Tracer is still doing well because Brigitte “counters her by existing”. That is an oxymoron. Either Tracer is doing well, or she isn’t. Even if Brigitte counters her three times in the game, it doesn’t matter if the other 20 times Tracer accomplished everything she wanted.
so trash series doesn’t win “female dog” lasagna Movement