Well, i have always used the other one. o.o
InterestingâŚ
Thatâs how i first had it described, at least.
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There are two interpretations of meta. There is M.E.T.A., which refers to the best strategy to win a game. The other would refer to stategies in general.
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Thatâs still worse than before.
For the no IC version, this still makes Sentry significantly worse than before the rework.
If you want his spread to go back to what it was, then youâll need to reduce it by 33% (putting it at 2 degrees). His old spread started at 1 degree, and maxed at 2 degrees. It started itâs bloom almost instantly (from what I can tell from a video, it was after 2 bullets, on the third).
Also, I donât think you can calculate the area using 3 as the radius. 3 degrees is the angle it makes at the very tip of the cone. To find the area of the circle, youâd need the distance from the target, and then find the area of the base of a cone with an angle of 3 degrees and a height of (distance) meters. Iâve done radius (technically diameter) calculations for various distances here if youâd like to look at those. I didnât calculate the area, but I did get the diameter.
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Bastion 1.0 was much better for me.
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Which is that? Because there were a lot of versions. Do you mean before the game came out or after? Because if itâs before that would be barrier Bastion, if itâs after itâd be what we had before ironclad.
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Pretty sure they mean Official Release Bastion. >.>
Could be wrong tho.
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You know what I find funny (or sad)? A lot of things people want fixes for would be fixed by old Bastion ![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d74zh8edaijub.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=5" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
. Brigitteâs giving everyone infinite health? Bastion could have killed them. PharMercy being cancer? Bastion could have killed them. Some people are complaining about Doomfist right now, I donât know if theyâre right to or not but Bastion could have killed him better, Dive tanks can be too powerful together, Bastion could kill them.
I could go on about combos or heroes some people think need to have a better counter and he would be just that.
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Zarya killing everyone in a Grav while you watch?
Shouldnât have nerfed Bastion.
Hanzo taking whole points by himself?
Should have had a Bastion on that pointâŚ
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But hey it was a âlow rank destroyerâ, cant have that ![:slight_smile:](https://d74zh8edaijub.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=5" ":slight_smile:")
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I can confirm Bastion is not a âlow rank destroyerâ
Source, my own experience.(while the rest of you deal with âmetaâ I deal with chaos in Itâs purest form, attack Torbjorn having a decent chance of success)
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He has a negative winrate in bronze currently and before you had to be more accurate so even players who canât aim well enough to use his current spread canât be expected to aim better with old spread.
(I know what you were saying though, even when someone doesnât mean it I get slightly triggered XD)
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Believe it or not, youâd actually get roughly the same result if you were using a cone for the firing of the weapon. Assuming that an enemy is the same distance with the comparison of the two spreads, youâd still get roughly the same accuracy increase (19% if the spread is reduced by 10%).
I simply used radius of a circle since Iâm referring to a crosshair while using this. This is because thatâs how the weapon firing works when youâre unable to do something like Aim Down Sights to increase weapon accuracy iirc. And if Iâm wrong, then by all means, feel free to correct me. ^^
(Circle results in the most convenient working measurement when referring to this. However, using a cone to factor distance would give the same result provided the same distance is factored in such a comparison.)
And if either idea proves not to be enough should they go through with either idea, then they can always revisit it and tighten it further.
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If youâre using the same distance, then yes, thatâs correct. I guess thatâs a fair assumption, just not how I read the first post originally⌠I read it more as âItâs a 19% increase from this distanceâ⌠I guess the radius of 3 part was throwing me off, as that would imply that it was whatever specific distance is needed to make the radius 3 meters, feet, whateverâŚ
Yeah, you definitely need the radius of the circle, and thatâs what shape the crosshair makes (assuming you tell it to I guess), but calling it 3 and 2.7 seemed strange, it looked like you were confusing the angle with the radius.
The only issue with this is that itâs much harder to tell if something is underpowered than it is to tell if itâs overpowered. Itâs easier to start on the OP side of things, and balance down than it is to start weak and balance up. As long as there arenât knee jerk nerfs like last time (and they listen to feedback on the PTR unlike last time), this is probably the better method⌠If they start weak, theyâll think itâs fine, and itâll take another month or so (probably a lot longer) for them to revisit it.
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Shameless bump⌠extremely shameless.
Ironclad has to be the most troublesome passive in the game because of how easy it is to pocket him and how even small increments can make him difficult to kill. At 35%, which equaled to the 150 armor he had initially, he was able to survive and outheal certain ultimates. That was later bumped down to 20% which made him killable but his Tank mode suffered from the lack of protection. Even then, this passive is still an issue because he has reduced damage taken, not increased amount of health. The amount of health a healer like Mercy can restore back stays the same in and out of tank and sentry configurations, which makes him very efficient to heal.
Removing this would make Bastion more fragile, but it would also justify bringing his old sentry spread and headshots back. If you really want Bastion to have DR, put it in an ability thatâs non-combative like during Repair. Make the current Tank or the suggested Overclock Ult from the Tank on E rework bring back the 150 armor he had previously, as thatâs sufficient protection for Bastion to power through and more health a Healer needs to work through so pocketing him isnât as efficient.
I donât think ironclad will ever go away, maybe activated when healing only but never truly gone.
The only thing that has truly left this game is Symmetraâs ability to provide shields, everything else has stayed in some way.
Thatâs how Iâm looking at it too⌠I donât think theyâll just toss it. Thatâs why I normally like to suggest binding it to repair. It stays in the game so they donât feel like they wasted resources on it, but itâs not as powerful as it is now. Who knows though, maybe the Symm rework is the start of a few total reworks, where they remove troublesome abilities all together, and replace them with something else entirely (or just remove them without adding more abilities). Not saying that shield gen was troublesome, but some other abilities are, like Ironclad and Reaperâs teleport.
As a full on Bastion one trick, that plays nothing but Bastion, I completely disagree with almost every single thing you have proposed as a change.
You want him to get reworked into some weird robot swiss knife? That isnât Bastion. Bastion is a high powered relatively basic in mechanics front line gatling gun harasser, not some flashy âswitch to this switch to that whenever the situation calls for itâ hero. Oh and the ult you proposed is actual garbage, it would take the high power from his current ult that feels great to use and sacrifice it for some clunky damn mini tank mode.
The tank mode is going to be either useless or completely annoying to play against, meaning if he does transform he will either burst down heroes who cant do crap about it like Ana or Zen while moving around, or he will just hit a shield 3 times and then transform back, which will happen most of the time, and then you just nerfed him like that because the thing you sacrificed his current actually good ult for just went to crap more often than not.
Keep Bastion what it is, what he is known for. A front line bully and harasser. If you want to buff him, give him this:
50% lower Sentry spread
2x headshot damage, if it really turns out to be way too strong, then 1.5x
Thatâs literally all you can give this little character without completely ruining him, stop trying to rework him into something you have absolutely no idea will A. Be enjoyable to play as, with or against and B. If will it actually be a buff, or just a really stale rework that even if it was a buff will not be a significant buff unless he starts getting annoying to play against and or bordering being over powered.
Keep him how he is for what he is needed for, keep him for what he is for what he is loved/hated for (however you want to look at it).
But other than that, the one thing we do agree on is that he is being ignored. They donât know what to do with Bastion so they keep him in this current state.
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The point of this thread is to bring atention to Bastions current state. Between this thread and the last one we have proposed buffs of all kinds, as well as reworks if it come to that.
If you disagree with some of the ideas here, that is fine, but we would appreciate it if you stuck around to help our cause, bringing attention to Bastionâs current state.
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