For a long time, Mercy wasnāt meta even with Mass Rez, because the meta favored Ana, Lucio, and three tanks.
After the triple-tank meta was broken, Mercy finally became meta to the point that no other healer could compete. Thatās when Mercy needed a nerf.
Tracerās Pulse Bomb was nerfed because people had gotten too good at using it to delete tanks.
Characters can remain unchanged for a long time until the shifting meta forces Blizzard to consider changes which werenāt previously a high priority.
I donāt think making Bastion slide off the payload is necessary. What really is necessary is reworking or reverting Mercy. Tempo rez is the most broken mechanic of the game, and without that type of cancer in this game Pirate Ship will be far more counterable. Kill Bastion once, game over.
Bastionās sentry mode is very weak, so iām not sure incentivizing him to change configurations is good. His sentry is the only mode he can really get value out of, Recon is only for re-positioning to a better Sentry location. And i think Bastion needs to get a Symmetra 3.0 treatment. He has fundamental design flaws that need to be addressed and the balance team is to incompetent to notice or do anything about it for 2 years.
Bastionās whole existence makes me doubt Overwatch and the devs, and i barely play Bastion. They just wonāt address his problems at all, and leaves him in the gutter as a no-skill widely detested practically useless cheese hero since the gameās inception.
50% Ironclad seems like a somewhat bad idea to meā¦ it seems like people will just sit on an objective and spam shift for an infinite 50% damage resist and get healed by like an Ana or something from a distanceā¦
I asked what kolorblind thought on stream about putting tank on āEā and it seems like she is very against changing/reworking him, I didnāt clip it unfortunately I should of done
Thatās just their opinion unfortunately, not everyone is going to agree with changes regardless of who it is. Yes they are pretty much one of the best Bastion players but doesnāt mean Bastion isnāt having trouble. Torbjorn is planning on getting a rework but hey didnāt that Defran guy have a torb only account and get gm easily? Must be a fine hero then right? No its because the player is really good.
If itās in a VOD, you can go back and clip itā¦ I donāt really agree though. If most people (pros specifically) donāt want to fight against a slightly buffed Bastion in his current state, then heās just going to get gutted again. It happened with 35% Ironclad (though that one was pretty OP), it happened with Mercy, it happened with Sombraā¦ A rework is his best bet at being accepted and not instantly gutted. Keep his fundamentals (Sentry is stationary with high damage, Recon is mobile with better range, Tank is very mobile and burst damage), but rework his kit slightly. I definitely donāt want a hard limit on his modes, I think that would kill him, but just Tank on E would be a good rework imoā¦
Iāll see if I can clip it, It happened about an hour ago so i have to search for a bit so i can clip
edit - Okay so now Iāve heard her talk about it twice it seems like she doesnāt want anymore changes and doesnāt want Bastion to be meta/must pick, I donāt really agree much with that.
part 1 - https://clips.twitch.tv/ShakingFreezingNuggetsPJSalt
part 2 - explains why she doesnāt want him to change - https://clips.twitch.tv/RoughRefinedButterCclamChamp
Personally, I donāt 100% agree with what she says, I want Bastion to be more viable but he doesnāt have to be meta or a must pick.
I also kind of see the mobility argument if you put tank on E, If tank mode was a 8 second cooldown he will have a little too much mobility by rocket jumping
I Understand your apprehensive Nature towards our vocal approachā¦
But, I have always believed that Any effort, No matter the amount, is never wasted when itās put towards a good cause.
Even if that cause has no foreseeable end.
We fight to regain our Honor, and towards justice for our name. weād be glad to have you at our side.
Blizzard faces a harrowing fork in their roadā¦
To make changes favoring the common player, or to selectively hear only the āBestā Of the communityā¦ Which in of itself, is to be questioned based on prior experiences.
Doesnāt seem to understand the buffs weāre asking for. We donāt want literally everything all in one buff, we want some stuff in a smaller buff. No one is asking for 150 tank armor AND Ironclad to be increased, itās one or the otherā¦
I donāt want to make accusations, but it sounds to me kinda like a āI donāt want Bastion to be better because Iām decent at this Bastion, and I want to remain at the topā.
Yes, it would give him mobility any time he wanted it, but I fail to see how thatās a bad thing. If youāre using it to dive into the enemy, youāre just going to instantly die anyway. Having mobility in such a mobile game isnāt a bad thing. Tank on E just gives him better sneak attacks, a better escape option if things go bad, and a good burst damage option. Itās not like it would turn him into Doomfistā¦
I have 2 potential ideas, if I can throw in my two cents; one for each route (IC and no IC). Feel free to give me thoughts on it. Please note that I am in full agreement though that Bastion needs help, and you guys do have my support as well!
With IC
Recon:
Headshot hitbox reduced by 10%
Self-Repair:
Stays the same
Sentry:
Spread reduced by 10% (increases accuracy by 19%)*
Spread stays at max
IC Passive here stays at 20%
Headshots enabled again
Tank:
IC Passive increased to 35%
Transformation Time reduced from 1.5 seconds to 1.2 seconds
No IC
Ironclad:
Removed
Recon:
Movement speed increased from 5.5 meters/second to 6 meters/second
Self-Repair:
Stays the same
Sentry:
Max Spread reduced by 20% (increases accuracy by 36%)*
Spread starts minimal and increases as you fire (think pre-rework Bastion if you need a reference for this)
Headshots enabled again
Tank:
Gives +150 Armor
*For those unaware of how the accuracy increase is measured, note that weapon spread is in the form of a circle. Take Sombraās weapon accuracy change from February 27th as an example. The spread of it was reduced from 3 to 2.7; well, to calculate the area of this, you need to do the area of a circle (pi * r * r). When the radius is 3, the area is 9 pi; when the radius is 2.7, the area is 7.29 pi. Dividing 7.29 by 9 gives a result of 0.81, meaning that the result is an accuracy increase of 19%. (Itās worth to note that when you divide those two areas, the pi in each area cancels out.)
To Explain, A āMetaā Or otherwise the Most Effective Tactic Available, A Situation Based entirely and ONLY Around the hero, (Or ANY Hero) Would be.
Really? I thought it referred the āmeta-gameā, using the Greek word for āafter, beyondā.
āA prefix added to the name of a subject and designating another subject that analyzes the original one but at a more abstract, higher level.ā
The āmeta-gameā is the body of unwritten rules and guidelines formed by the experience of those who have mastered the game. The body of tactics and strategies they developed within the official rules.
A couple of observations:
First, it would be quite strange for recon to have the same speed that Tracer and Genji have, it would a good change to Sombra, but for Bastion it would feel out of place.
Second, if Bastion had 35% ironclad during his ultimate, the cast time of 1.5 seconds should stay.
