Basically Bogus Bastion Bias 😢

[ChibiFox-11511]

I find him annoying(ironic, I know), not because he’s OP, counters my character of choice, or impossible to deal with; but because as a Sombra main the split second he shows up my game plan has to go from “doing fun Sombra things” to “never let Bastion get setup, and hunt him down until he swaps” otherwise he’ll just relentlessly melt my trickling teammates.

It’s really funny you would mention that, because… honestly i’m wanting to ask you if you ever ever lose to that Bastion?

I’m guessing no.

[Renegade-21659]

i don’t think bastion is unhealthy, i think the view of him is.
he’s as much of a dps as any other to me.

but i think the biggest flaw of bastion is that his recon form feels a lot weaker than it should be because of how big he is.

like i really don’t think bastions sentry form should be his defacto best form entirely and his recon form only be there for him to be able to move.

i feel like he should be able to choose depending on the situation what’s better.

[Natorian-1907]

honestly i’m wanting to ask you if you ever ever lose to that Bastion?

If I play DPS, which is unicorn status for me, I just pick Sombra to counter Bastion. Unless the Bastion has both support and at least a single tank playing to keep the Bastion alive, its game over for the Bastion player.

[suhtiwdog-1509]

but i think the biggest flaw of bastion is that his recon form feels a lot weaker than it should be because of how big he is.

like i really don’t think bastions sentry form should be his defacto best form entirely and his recon form only be there for him to be able to move.

i feel like he should be able to choose depending on the situation what’s better.

This ^^

Exactly how it feels to me, too. Recon needs something

[Natorian-1907]

Recon needs something

The second Recon gets a buff, people start to complain that Bastion is on the way to being a better Soldier 76.

[ChibiFox-11511]

@Kazooie-11122

That’s pretty much the gist of it. I don’t understand how they could fix him without significantly rebalancing the power of his kit. Right now he’s like nerf gun with legs, or minigun cemented into the ground. Pretty much no inbetween

@suhtiwdog-1509

In my limited experience on him:

• too team reliant to survive on him, even with self-repair
• Recon just feels like a means to an end, that end being to relocate & set-up Sentry
• being unable to self-repair while firing weapons feels really bad, especially in Sentry

Personally, I’d like to see:

• him able to multi-task repairs & dealing damage simultaneously
• have a “tag enemy” or proximity sensor he can deploy while in Recon (which stands for reconnaissance: the military observation of a region to locate an enemy or ascertain strategic features )
• meme or not, putting Tank on ability and making ULT: Heli Mode would be siiick

In light of all of these replies, i would like to present my latest list of changes that i think would make the hero playable again, not as any form of self advertisement, no… but as a bump to get the ball rolling again for feedback (Here) About the hero… and to consider that he just needs to be strong again.

@ChibiFox-11511

Let’s see…

Ah yes, there it is.

Bastion needs a fix ASAP

Just to get this ball rolling again…

Changes that have been suggested:

• Headshots enabled in Sentry Mode.
• Spread tightened in Sentry Mode.
• Ammo lowered to 150 ( Or even as low as 100 ) In Sentry Mode.
• A personal shield is added to Sentry Mode, facing wherever the Bastion is looking, at a health of 300-500 or in that range. And only regenerates while out of Sentry Mode.
• Ironclad removed or completely reworked.

And on top of that, allow me to add in one of the more important changes:

• Configuration: Tank is now another configuration, with lower damage rocket/shells, and is always accessible in the same fashion as Configuration: Sentry.
• New Ultimate : “Overclocked” Now strengthens Bastion in all configurations , causing Bastion to glow a hot red in similar fashion to Torbjorn’s ability ( Or Torbjorn’s original ultimate ) Dealing higher damage and having either lowered or zero reload time in any configuration for the duration of the ultimate.

This gives Bastion not only the “Mobility” People seem desperate to ask for, but utility, and versatility in combat, as a machine that can adapt to the situation at hand.

“BuT cHiBi, He NeEdS a HeAdShOt HiTbOx”

Hammond doesn’t when in his rolling form, and Bastion’s hitbox is just as large.

So please give me your thoughts, and read carefully. ^,^

@Renegade-21659

i feel like he should be able to choose depending on the situation what’s better.

This is a BIG thing for me… every configuration should have a use.

And i’ll even add, to my “Overclocked” Description, perhaps he should have a speed boost in Recon/Tank?

@Natorian-1907

If I play DPS, which is unicorn status for me, I just pick Sombra to counter Bastion. Unless the Bastion has both support and at least a single tank playing to keep the Bastion alive, its game over for the Bastion player.

As for this… even most Tanks directly counter him nowadays…

[Shadow-119113]

Yeah, probably about 40% of the time, give or take.

Anytime Bastion has more people coordinating with him then I can get to coordinate with me to take him down he’s likely to win. Sombra is really good at shutting an isolated Bastion down, but one with a Mercy pocket, behind a shield, and especially with a DPS/off tank hanging nearby is impossible to touch.

[ChibiFox-11511]

Anytime Bastion has more people coordinating with him then I can get to coordinate with me to take him down he’s likely to win. Sombra is really good at shutting an isolated Bastion down, but one with a Mercy pocket, behind a shield, and especially with a DPS/off tank hanging nearby is impossible to touch.

This should be impossible to touch, alone.

[suhtiwdog-1509]

I like your changes… but I really want something for Recon, too

[ChibiFox-11511]

Yes, as i stated it also needs changes, along with the major ones.
Perhaps simply higher base speed, along with Tank.

And thank you for the positive feedback! I’m glad you like them.

[suhtiwdog-1509]

I’d much more prefer some kind of enemy ping…

I mean, why limit wall-hacks to Sombra, Widow, & Hanzo.

[DirtyDoug-2917]

It is a meme, sorry i honestly thought of it myself. A bit like Mercys Valkyrie, but with bit less control and heavier firepower.

[ChibiFox-11511]

I’d much more prefer some kind of enemy ping…

I mean, why limit wall-hacks to Sombra, Widow, & Hanzo.

I would love to see the ability to make Ganymede fly onto an enemy, staying with them and pinging their location to the team… along with all the other changes. But i fear people would call his kit bloated.

[Shadow-119113]

I absolutely agree, I’m not complaining about being unable to get a kill in the midst of 3-4 enemies.

My biggest complaint is pretty much not about Bastion himself, and more a product of Bunker as a whole: It takes more cohesion and coordination to break up Bunker then it does to run the comp yourself.

I’m just glad most Bunker characters aren’t fun or appealing to the majority of mid tier players, cause if we cared about SR above all else that’s all that would get run.

[DrClan-1789]

Okay well enjoy your thread and your hero falling into obscurity.

There’s nowhere left for Bastion to fall these days…

[Protonhunter-1920]

If you want these or any other changes to bastion he needs CD on his turret and tank configuration. 12 seconds on sentry and 15 on tank was my original suggestion. Started when he exits each mode. 12 seconds on sentry means he has 6 seconds of down time if he’s in tank mode for 6 seconds, more likely 4 if he’s in it for 8.

Bastion needs CD to be relevant because he can’t have access to his power spikes at all times or he’s broken

[ChibiFox-11511]

My biggest complaint is pretty much not about Bastion himself, and more a product of Bunker as a whole: It takes more cohesion and coordination to break up Bunker then it does to run the comp yourself.

I disagree.

Having to be constantly vigilant is a very hard job, especially requiring good coms to even work in a proper bunker.

[Renegade-21659]

i mean let’s look at his sentry form, he gets a large magazine, he gets a damage mitigation passive and his head hitbox is now instead on his back and also his overall hitbox shrinks aswell as his dps goes up really high.

these are all positives that doesn’t need to be there, if we could take some of them out we could probably balance his recon form to be better and give us the option of choosing between
sentry form, high glass cannon damage dealer.
recon form, balanced dps character that isn’t necessarily weaker, just allocates his resources to another form more evenly instead of full offense.

how they would do this i’m not sure.
but a thing they could stand to lose when it comes to bastions sentry form is his ironclad passive in favor of making recon better.

[DrClan-1789]

Bastion needs CD to be relevant because he can’t have access to his power spikes at all times or he’s broken

He currently does not have CDs and is the opposite of broken.

[ChibiFox-11511]

If you want these or any other changes to bastion he needs CD on his turret and tank configuration. 12 seconds on sentry and 15 on tank was my original suggestion. Started when he exits each mode. 12 seconds on sentry means he has 6 seconds of down time if he’s in tank mode for 6 seconds, more likely 4 if he’s in it for 8.

Bastion needs CD to be relevant because he can’t have access to his power spikes at all times or he’s broken

I’d like to address this in particular because, those power spikes come at great cost already… immobility, even with his large hitbox is already a massive disadvantage.

Oh, and if we limit Sentry to a cooldown, now you have a MASSIVE problem.

“Bastion used Sentry/Tank, rush him in 3…2…”

That’s not viable.