Deathwing. Empowered directly by the titans and then later by the old gods, he is the closest thing in this game to, well, a god.
Alex literally rips off his head in WoW, and DW just grows it back like nothing happened, and within minutes. The other four aspects also considered him to be indestructible by normal means.
Either Quira or Orphea.
Orphea literally uses the original power of the Raven Lord. She is strong enough to hold back the Raven Lord’s current Dark Nexus power. The Dark Nexus is capable of literally summoning Dark Nexus versions of heroes which are lore wise meant to be more powerful than the originals. This makes her without a doubt the strongest hero, at least to fight personally.
Qhira is also an odd one power wise. She posses knowledge and technology far beyond any other heroes in the Nexus. Her sword literally allows her to teleport through space and the nexus. It also seems to be very powerful in combat, likely able to cut the strongest armors of other heroes. She has also killed countless strong beings within the Nexus. Despite her feeble appearance I think she is the only hero who could find ways to kill all the others if she so desired.
What I meant was that such a powerful artifact being destroyed should have also released enough energy to destroy a world it also created, as the power to create world is also enough to destroy them as well.
Also to be fair WoW planets aren’t really that big,
https://youtu.be/iDE0sFwvOOo?t=2464 There is also the fact that one of kerrigans powers is too create broodlings too so she probably can create zerg if she really wanted to.
Correction, the zerg evolved to use it in their metabolism
because of its high caloric intake, but they do not need it to function.
The largest of leviathans are the size of moons, it would be akin to killing an old god for the scourge. Leviathans can take repeated hits from yamato cannons, they are not easy to kill.
The nephalem DOES refer to a group of actual Nephalem. The problem is that in the final cutscene for Reaper of Souls, Tyrael specifically mentions only your chosen character here in the singular as the person who bested the greatest champions of heaven and hell (this cutscene STARTS with your character killing Malthael). He even mentions you by your class (barbarian, monk, etc).This seems to imply that in canon, it only took a single Nephalem to beat Diablo and Mephisto and each of the Nephalem are actually that strong. As far as I’m aware, there is nothing that can override the end of Reaper of Souls except for “Word of God” from the creators themselves or something in Diablo 4 clarifying further.
Yea but this is fiction so the authors can create whatever rules they wish. The destruction of the worldstone doesn’t have to result in a big bang or something that wipes out the entire pocket dimension. I can create a fictional weapon that shoots out universe destroying beams when fully charged but have it do nothing when broken into pieces.
Why Medivh? I don’t play WoW, so Idk much about Medivh.
Medivh is the Last Guardian of Tirisfal.
The Guardian of Tirisfal was founded by a bunch Mages a long time ago who fused (most of) their power into a chosen single entity and it was passed down from generations and generations, meaning the new Guardian was always stronger.
Medivh was the last of it, who was even possessed by Sargeras’ soul (which might gave him more power).
He was feared even by Deathwing. He opened a stable and permanent Portal to another world which was a lot bigger word and achievement in a few years ago in WoW’s lore and they needed special artifacts and rituals to destroy that said Portal.
He was also visited by a strong Blue Dragon (they’re about Magic) and he just casually annihilated the dragon with a single spell that burnt it out alive from within.
His tower (Kharazan) and most of his belongings have really strong magic with lots of weird stuff (tho partially because he chose a good place for that).
So long story short: he’s the most powerful mage in WoW’s history and the WoW mages do crazy powerful stuff and he was written in a way that he has infinite potential (pretty good plot device) and basically cannot truly die.
Reading through his entry in Wowpedia, it said it was his mother who built the tower not medivh, along with her who resurrected him (anti-aging spells are dumb, she was over 1000 years old).
However it was said that after the third war, his power was weakening and his time on the physical plane was ending (perhaps he will be in the shadow lands?) Though he did leave some shades within Karazhan to over guidance.
Tomato tomahto. Finding a replacement of sufficient caloric density to compare to it would be just as difficult. My point being they have metabolisms. Slowing them down would put a brick in their overall ability to heal, reproduce, and move/fight.
Meanwhile, undead can move as fast as their bodies allow all the time, and with a little…motivation, go even faster.
They all die when deathwing decides to yeet them anyway.
You cannot compare universes to each other. But you can define who is the strongest in each said universe.
That is like sayin:
"WhO iS sTrOnGeR GoKu, SuPeRmAn, or OnE-pUnCh-Man. They are all in different universes, realm, whatever you wanna call it. There is no way to answer this when you make it cross-universe.
Edit: As for Diablo’s World and everyone says The Nephalem are the strongest, well, if that was true the series would end with Daiblo 1. Each gane the the Nephalem are different people. But same Diablo. Using that logic alone, Diablo is the strongest – plus he can never be killed, just imprisoned.
Zerg can also eat local wild life for food if they really need too, but they usually get their sustenance from creep itself, which if not held in check will rapidly consume a world, ironically the only thing that really slows down creep is extreme heat, what the scourge are not know for. For where creep gets its nourishment is from the deep mineral extraction it performs on planets. heh, zerg fueled on azerite, now that is a scary thought.
If each universe applies normal laws of physics, we can easily determine who is strongest. Superman literally punches blackholes into existance and satama can punch into the blueshift without even trying. Goku can teleport sure, but I doubt he’s fast enough to take on people who can match his speed and literally punch blackholes into existance.
So either goku’s dimension has vastly different…uh…everything, to the point that a normal person is equivalent to the incredible hulk to us, or it’s normal and he’s vastly outmatched.
Considering the interactions between overwatch and SC heroes, zarya claims that they’re from the future, which isn’t too far off, the way that terran operate in that sector is amalgamated gear and tech made up by outcasts. That’s basically mad max versions of tech wizards. Imagine how technologically advanced earth was in SC time.
Considering that, we have a rough measure of power in both universes. We can also measure how powerful a character is based on their feats or skills. For example, who would win in a 1v1 fight; Valeera who has the power to literally become shadows and teleport or Nova who has a vast technological arsenal at the ready and years of advanced combat training and scouting. Seems like an impossible matchup to compare but we have wiki and lore to compare with. Unfortunately I’m not good at looking at either, so someone answer that for me (lowkey curious).
guys this has been going on for TOO long. walrus just ACCEPT they are gonna lose because the zerg are a galactic threat. arthas isnt even a casual thread anymore so PLEASE just accept it.
to answer some concerns:
additional to what karabars said:
-he has nearly unlimited access to all realms and universes of WoW, including time.
-a massive cosmic titan noticed him from far away.
-they are meant to be the single sole defenders of azeroth against the burning legion.
-to recharge his power after he resurrected, he absorbed the largest group of ley lines, magic veins underground that allow all mages to do their work, on azeroth to recharge and he was not even close to his former power.
-he can see the future
really this was the only concern xD
What on Earth are you talking about? Hive clusters are literally the term for Zerg bases, the smallest of which usually cover a couple miles in diameter.
What does WH40k have anything to do with what we’re talking about here?
I didn’t know the Scourge or Arthas could cleave planets in two.
And only the most powerful Titans, such as Sargeras himself, can actually destroy planets. Bonus points because Warcraft planets are actually smaller than our own Moon, so it’s really more like destroying Dwarf planets. Still impressive, but not as much as you make it out to be.
No they cannot. Even at the height of the Cold War the combined nuclear arsenals of the Soviet Union, Chinese, and US militaries could not have wiped out the entire Earth. The could definitely have destroyed human civilization and set us back to the stone age, and many species would go extinct in the aftermath, but life and humanity would survive and recover within a couple hundred or thousand years.
And I still think you underestimate just how powerful something would have to be to actually render a planet completely uninhabitable. We’re talking boiling away the oceans, which would require more energy than humanity has ever produced through any means a million times over.
And yet Protoss do this kind of thing almost casually when they find a Zerg infested planet, and they don’t end up committing suicide when they do it.
I addressed this in the other thread.
Zerg biology does not lend itself to raising or even dissection. They tend to either decay extremely rapidly upon death (we’re talking minutes) or explode into a gory mess outright, leaving a pile of incoherent flesh behind. There’s a reason the Terrans keep trying to contain live Zerg for research, and its because dead ones don’t leave enough to actually research. The Scourge need a corpse to raise, so their foes not leaving corpses would be a bit of a problem for the Zerg.
There’s also the issue of whether the Helm of Domination could even control a raised Zerg. Many Zerg are capable of being reconstituted after being slain, and the Zerg hive mind instantly resumes control when they are revived.
Last, but not least, the Zerg can easily amplify those traits that destroy their body when they die. The Zerg adapt and invent new strains of Zerg all the time to overcome different challenges. If the Scourge managed to raise some Zerg that didn’t fully self-destruct from the dead, the Zerg would simply change their biology to ensure that any and all Zerg bioforms that go into combat against the Scourge would self-destruct on death to starve the Scourge of new corpses.
They do not.
Only feral Zerg who do not live in hive clusters need to eat. Those that live in hive clusters or otherwise have access to Creep literally absorb chemical nutrients from the Creep directly, and the Creep generates those nutrients from the ground it covers.
So again, the Zerg literally only need access to rich enough soil or any organic matter to grow and expand their numbers.
Besides, the Zerg can literally just eat the corpses of their foes if they need to. The Scourge would make for a great food supply.
The Zerg do not need it, as they have canonically morphed bioforms that cost Vespene in-game (such as Banelings, Mutalisks, and Ultralisks) without access to any Vespene in canon.
The reason the Zerg harvest Vespene gas is that it is an extremely energy-dense substance, which allows them to use that as a catalyst and fuel for the chemical reactions that provide them sustenance. It greatly increases the efficiency of their production of Creep nutrients and new bioforms. It is not necessary to their growth and survival.
There is no reason the Scourge would be able to kill and raise Broodmothers or Overlords, ever, even if the Zerg could consistently be raised and controlled.
The Scourge would not be able to fight through the endless tide of Zerg to reach a Broodmother at her central hive cluster, and Overlords have a habit of hanging around in the upper atmosphere where the Scourge would never be able to reach them.
Furthermore, raised individuals in WoW keep their memories because their souls are bound to their bodies. Souls do not exist in Starcraft, which means there is no soul (and therefore no memories) you can bind back into a slain Zerg’s body.
Good luck ever killing an Ultralisk, let alone raising it. Those things are the size of Sindragosa and are a hell of a lot tankier. The damn things can survive direct tactical nuclear strikes, and they’d literally ignore anything the non-Boss level Scourge could throw at them.
And there’s no way the Zerg would through only one of them at you at a time. If the Zerg can produce one Ultralisk, they can produce dozens.
Besides, pain just makes the Zerg more aggressive. That Ultralisk may be able to feel pain, but it is emotionally incapable of feeling fear. Aside from the intelligent Zerg like Overlords and Broodmothers, Zerg have no self-preservation instinct, so it’s not like undeath would be an upgrade on that front.
You can’t really slow down Zerg metabolism. As long as they have access to Creep, they’ll have all the nutrients and energy they need to keep going.
Just like the Zerg.
From what I’v gathered the worldstone was locking the nephalim’s power away so technically they only became god tier after D2
ARthas wins with his Hax,
He is inferior in every way but his psirit attacks count as Hax and there is nothing in SC that supports Kerrigan or the Zerg having resistance to such things, in fact the energy that Alarak absorbs as both a co-op commander and when you play as him in the campaign are decirbed as souls and guess what, you can absorb that from the zerg
So unless you can provide evidence that Arthas can’t use FUry of Frostmourne as much as he pleases
Arthas wins.
Saitama is literally a meme character who’s whole point is that he is comically OP to the point of being unbeatable. Comparing him in this set-up would basically be throwing any and all rules out the window. Saitama could literally have his own Rule of the Internet: "If it exists, Saitama can beat it with a single Serious Punch™.
Superman can move faster than light. That alone means he’d literally instantly win against any non-meme character (like Saitama). Same with the Flash. We don’t need to consider any other powers, being able to move faster than light is literally universe breaking. Literally the only reason Superman ever loses is because of plot shackles, the reverse of plot armor, which restrict his power or ignore the implications of that level of power for the sake of making every fight more than just a boring instant one-shot.
Goku cannot hope to match Superman in raw strength, speed, or durability. Comparing him to Superman is no different than comparing a normal human to Superman.
Likewise, we can compare the Scourge and the Zerg by their general known capabilities and the assumption that the inherent nature of physics is consistent across both universes.
There are things we can’t know about so we can’t say which way they’d go, that is true. However, you can often consider the implications of the possibilities and see if they’d make a difference.
Could Arthas use that magical one-shot of his on any Zerg and instantly kill them? I don’t really know enough about it to say one way or the other*, but if he can, would it really matter? Not really.
There’s clearly limits on it, such as how often he can use it or from how far it can affect targets. The Zerg could easily just bombard him from the upper atmosphere where he can’t retaliate with that one-shot trick.
*If this one-shot trick relies on the target having a soul, it would not work against the already soulless Zerg. If it rips the life force from the target, then it would likely work on the Zerg.
Assuming Saitama can hit it
I’m sure I could ifnd a character or two from around fiction who could doge the attack because they are fast enough,
You can’t block it, you can’t tank it, and you can’t dodge it. If he throws that Serious Punch™, you lose.
Saitama was created to parody the “OP protag” trope, and as a result is necessarily the most extreme example of the OP protag trope.
I think comparing him to anyone else is silly because of this. There’s no measurement of physical capabilities, there’s no measure of their feats. There’s just this one rule that says, “Saitama never loses a fight he takes seriously,” and therefore in any matchup against anyone, you can definitively say Saitama automagically wins.
It’s dumb, and it’s why I don’t like it when people bring him up in power comparisons. It completely ignores all the rules of these comparisons and debates and just special-pleading fallacy’s in Saitama’s win. “Saitama wins because he always wins. No you don’t need to know his specs and stats, all you need to know is that he always wins. That’s literally his whole thing. If he doesn’t win, he’s not really Saitama.”
I put this under hidden text format because I don’t want to clog up this thread with walls of text on topics completely unrelated to HotS.
You can as long as there exists the means to quantify stuff. The issue here, at least with Diablo,is that being a fantasy series means there will be some things that aren’t concretely quantified: we aren’t gonna get a statement that a character can fight at 25 times the speed of light or that Sanctuary+its pocket dimension are the “exactly the same size as our real life universe!”.
That is why you try to compare what you can and use feats, what is shown and what is implied by the various narratives (author statements are also nice).
That’s because the heroes of Diablo 1 and 2 are just humans. It is only after the Worldstone is destroyed (and thus the nephalem-dampening effect was finally gone) that some humans begin to tap into their Nephalem heritage, hence Diablo 3 finally seeing the rise of Nephalem player characters. It’s why despite Diablo reaching the height of his power as “Prime Evil Diablo”, the Nephalem straight up KILL him outright and all that remains is his essence. The nephalem then not only overpower a much stronger Malthael but overpower him after he absorbs the power of Prime Evil Diablo. Tyrael himself seems convinced that the Nephalem (as of the end of Reaper of Souls) is basically unstoppable as they have beaten Heaven and Hell’s absolute greatest champions.
It is possible that once Nephalem reach the apex of their power, they can kill beings like Prime Evil Diablo permanently and bypass him turning back into essence and such. It would explain why Tyrael’s only fear now is that the mortal heart of the Nephalem could become corrupted.
It also fits in with previous lore where characters like Inarius were scared enough that Nephalem could become powerful enough to destroy sanctuary and potentially the entire dimension they were in just based off their sheer power (further backed up by the fact Inaruis powered by the worldstone LOST a fight to a Nephalem).
Nova, she can win all with cliche sexy banter.