Ah okay
Just making sure cus given what we’ve seen so far the Naa’ru aren’t exactly that major, not compared to something that made Sargeras quiver in terror anyway.
And that would go against what was established early in Chronicles, tyring to say that light and dark are not stronger or weaker.
They are comparable to voidlords when they manifest in the Physical world, as the death of one who sacrificed itself banished Dimensius from another world. The narru was named T’urre.
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True, though considering that Terrazine consistently bumps psionic Terrans up by a Psi-Index level or two, that would probably make her a PI-11, which is absurdly strong. Kerrigan in WoL is classified as PI-12, and she could pull BCs from orbit and crush Thors with her mind. Nova is only 1 level below that (though that probably indicates a whole order of magnitude, since the PI scale seems to be logarithmic).
He was only able to kill Narud after the combined efforts of Kerrigan’s Swarm, the Dominion, and the Daelaam tore through his forces and beat him down, to the point where he was basically just waiting to die. Stukov didn’t beat Narud, he merely dealt the finishing blow to the already dying Xel’naga.
I LITERALLY SAID THAT
I was just pointing out that being able to generate enough force to destroy his body, the body of a xal’naga as thoroughly as he did in that cutscene speaks to an impressive destructive capacity,
backed up by both what Abather said about him and the fact he’s got some pretty powerful abilities when you control him in HOTS.
There is also the fact that when she became the primal queen, she was even more powerful than the old queen of blades https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlHwxIYWvCY Being un-measurable according an adjutant https://youtu.be/iDE0sFwvOOo?t=5359
Also Abathur was saying that Stukov’s sequences where so finely interwoven that he would not be able to replicate it, similar to how Kerrigan’s primal form was. https://youtu.be/iDE0sFwvOOo?t=6373
Diablo or Arthas get my vote.
Any of the Nephalem without a doubt. At the end of the Diablo 3, the Nephalem kill Prime Evil Diablo (aka Diablo after fusing with all of the other Prime Evils) outright. In Reaper of Souls, the Nephalem power-up in order to fight Malthael after he becomes the Aspect of death (implying that at this point, he is significantly more powerful than Prime Evil Diablo). The nephalem then proceed to body Malthael so hard that he absorbs the black soulstone (and all the power held by prime evil diablo, theoretically making him one of the top 5 strongest entities in the franchise easily including the two Beings whose bodies would become Heaven and Hell).
The nephalem proceed to beat Malthael’s cheeks so hard that he dies PAINFULLY and HORRIBLY. Tyrael himself comments that after watching such a colossal smackdown, he saw the Nephalem in a “new light”: the nephalem literally beat the crap out of the strongest of heaven’s champions AND hell’s champions (both at the same time if you count Aspect of Death Malthael amped by the Black soulstone). His dialogue implies that the only possible threat that could even remotely challenge the Nephalem now would be the one of the Nephalem’s heart’s being corrupted (probably by Diablo or Lilith if the Diablo 4 trailer is anything to go by).
You could probably argue that the Nephalem at the peak of their power potentially threaten the entire multiverse (Sanctuary, Heaven, Hell, etc) if they became evil or something due to how strong Diablo 3+Reaper of Souls portrays them. Not sure how that compares to World of Warcraft (i know next to nothing about it) but as far as I’m aware, in Starcraft even Xel’naga can be killed without requiring (possible) multiversal threats so take that as you will.
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And now would be a good point to bring up the issue with power comparison contests. In order for them to be done, the universes in question have to be comparable, or at least some what.
For instance, how large is sanctuary, heaven or hell. Is sanctuary a planet or a plain of existence within a pocket dimension separated from the other “realms” of the diablo universe.
The world stone had the power to create worlds to how the user wanted, yet when it was destroyed, it did not also destroy the very world it made with it. Implying that a large amount of its power was lost making sanctuary and suppressing the Nephalem’s powers.
There is also the issue of calling the Nephalem “multiversal” because of the fact that non of the diablo character as of yet have shown such power. Malthael, while powerful, was not going to destroy all of sanctuary, but all of humanity at once. An impressive feat, but nothing close to wiping out a universe. It would be closer that they threaten the beings who lived within said realms, but not the realms in of themselves, as the demons will still be born from hell, and the angels will continue forming from the crystal arch.
As an aside, the diablo wiki said all the other realms that the demons and angels formed with the world stone where “flawed” in some way and withered and die. So they kinda where just fighting for complete control of the world stone.
Also, the Xel’naga power in general is difficult to gage, as they are technically mortal beings, though they are capable of living for billions of years. However, even when Amon and Narud where killed in the physical plain, their consciousness returned to the void, where they were still capable of influencing the material world. As with Amon still guiding the swarm through his influence and controlling the Protoss through the Khala.
Though Amon’s host form is an example of his power, if reduced. As when it awoke it razed Artanis’ base, but unlike Amon, was vulnerable to conventional weapons (Those being the combined might of Artanis’ protoss armada waiting in orbit to blast it with everything they had).
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How can it be moutheal when nazeebo beat him 1v1?
Need to put some respect on the nephalims name.
Literally nothing was said about Titans being more powerful than Xel’Naga who created universes, as in plural universes as well as seeding all those universes with LIFE! They possess enormous amounts of psionic and void powers and the fact that the Zerg assimilated them means that Titans are just as vulnerable to Kerrigan and her minions. And I’m talking Primal Kerrigan here, not even DBZ Goddess Kerrigan.
Deathwing is pretty irrelevant to Kerrigan. The only use he’ll has is potential infestation material. Before you start to spout off magic nonsense, consider this: The Swarm will assimilate and replicate anything that has a biological, physiological, or even physical aspect to it. If Magic energy like Arcane or Fel has a biological basis, it will only be a matter of time before the Swarm assimilates it. Even if they are just energy, the Swarm only needs time before they arm themselves the knowledge and the ability to harness said powers.
Deathwing is literally just a tool to Kerrigan at best.
Bold of you to assume Protoss and Zerg don’t already do this on a regular basis.
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Because they don’t? Best we’ve seen is Purification of Chau Sara, which didn’t even manage to break the planetary crust and yet required an entire fleet that Tassadar controlled to do so.
Gul’dan did better by accident. Compare outland to what happened to Chau’sara. There’s still a Chau’sara. Outland is a debris field.
And again, the Worldstone is linked the the minor universe of Diablo, whatever the fel that is, I don’t care about the name because it’s irrelevant. What’s relevant is that it’s a motley collection of minor realms barely worth the title of a planet.
What matters is that it’s finite, limited, and not at all comparable to the infinite expanse of the twisting nether.
What matters is that neither Anu at his whole form nor the Knockoff Transformers Origin that was his split managed much. They are realms. The are not Planets. The entire setting does not work off the fundamental framework of universal existence that modern thought holds to be true. It instead is based more on the quasi-biblic understanding of the universe held in mythology. There is one world that is “Earth”, and a host of other planes such as Heaven and Hell. The concept of an infinite universe in which Earth is just one planet does not exist in the setting. Comparing the creation of such a setting to the creation of a planet, especially one with it’s own assortment of realms such as the Emerald Dream, domains of the Elementals, and Halls of Valor.
Comparing such and scaling Anu to our own Big Bang does not work.
I mean, She Is The Swarm.
Wouldn’t that be part of her strength lore wise?
idc either way myself.
No, because whereas the Scourge is an Extension of Arthas’s will, and he could recreate it from scratch by himself with no more than time and victims, the Swarm is not so for Kerrigan.
Kerrigan is merely a pilot of a mass of a finite swarm, not the source and master of an infinite Scourge.
Put bluntly, if you ported Kerrigan by herself into a new universe, she wouldn’t be able to recreate the Swarm. If you did so to Arthas, he could recreate the Scourge. Kerrigan is a creation of the Swarm. Arthas created the Scourge.
And the Scourge, being able to animate anything that once had life, trumps the Swarm, every Ultralisk crushed, every Zergling whose life is extinguished, every Mutalisk whose life is claimed by the Scourge will only fuel it. Zerg Metabolism requires vespene to function, and it’s structures need to feed.
The scourge has no weakness.
have you by chance, played Heart of the Swarm campaign?
She literally infects a protoss with a zerg creation of her own, which becomes a broodmother and makes a brood.
So, yeah. She could recreate the swarm. With… Time and Victims!
But hey, who cares about reality. Or research
Banelings, lots and lots of banelings 
But i honestly have no idea how such a fight would truly go. probably depends how wide scale you want the encounter to be.
if the scourge can easily and readily access all the worlds that the swarm has, they probably win.
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She didn’t give birth to a Larva, she had to use the resources of the Leviathan she was on to do it. Where Arthas starts with no army and builds one as he goes through Lordaeron.
Also, by technical vernacular, that wasn’t an infestation in the way infested Terrans are. She just shoved a baby Larva inside a protoss.
All it takes is one Leviathan getting too close…
Frankly, comparing the settings is a mistake. We’re talking about Science Fiction, Some Kid’s edgy bible fanfic, and a cosmic epic. Shouldn’t be much of a surprise when the one where alternate realities, real cosmic horrors, and the cycle of life and death themselves hang in the balance is on a higher scale of power.
Or, to put it more basically, who’d win, an ancient D&D Dragon with 30 character levels, a shadowrunner, or whatever the hell came out of FATAL?
Oh and a pixar movie. Not even going to bother giving that one credit.
She made that parasite which grew into a Broodmother. Arthas may be able to start faster, but his army’s potency has a cap while the Swarm, given your scenario, will start ridiculously slow but once they have a footing, and it’s not that hard to do so, they’ll consume everything and if Arthas is not careful, Kerrigan will assimilate his magic too.
nothing indicates this is the case.
She literally says that she made the parasite in game. There is nothing that implies she required the leviathan or any external resources outside of her person.
The point was that the Parasite was able to grow into a Broodmother and spawn a swarm.
Kerrigan literally made the swarm out of spinning strands to create her own Parasite.
Why would the Lievathan get close?
TBH, I do need to revise things:
If the Scourge could launch a strong assault on all locations that the Zerg had at once, they would almost certainly win.
If there is any zerg hive/brood/group that has anyone who can twist genes good enough, the swarm can probably find a way to make them “self-destruct” to a level that they could be revived, akin to banelings.
At which case it would be a matter of who can get to more resources faster. IF we’re giving the Scourge a way to easily travel between worlds close to or better than the Swarm, they almost certainly win.
If not… the swarm probably wins.
IF the Swarm didn’t show an ability to modify genes and functionality of their species, the scourge would certainly win. (again, this assumes that the scourge can travel between the worlds that the Swarm possesses).
either way it almost certainly depends on the specifics of a scenario in which the swarm and scourge meet. I suspect the Swarm would win many more scenarios than the Scourge. I don’t know enough about how WoW has changed things from WC3 to be able to be more specific than this.
The impression that I get from you is that you’re unwilling for Warcraft to not be the strongest, or maybe it is just Arthas.
Personally, I could care less. Both the Scourge and the Swarm are extremely “limitlessly powerful” entities. If there is actual evidence and arguments that one clearly crushes the other, i’m happy to hear them. But your stance makes you look like a Zealot for WoW/Arthas or at least against Starcraft.
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OK! darth… oooo boi
how many zerg do you think kerrigan has?
millions?
billions?
trillions?
quadrillions?
QUINITILLIONS! QUIN-FREAKING-TILLIONS!
that means that if you take all multicellular organisms on earth that have EVER lived in the past 4.5 BILLION years, you will likely not get a number that massive. they make billions on a daily basis.
if arthas converted 100% of ALL LIVING MASS on azeroth( including trees, players, titan constructs, EVERYTHING ) into ghouls and abominations. he would need more corpses because that does not exxeed the 100 billion which is pathetic. and we all know he cannot transform all living things. the speed at which an entire planet filled with necromancers and the lich king will liklely not even be enough to reanimate as much as the swarm makes brood. and they aren’t any cannonfodder. the evolution of a zergling nearly destroys aný kind of modern armor even tanks. also, the zerg have a death mechanism in which they just implode when nearing death to kill nearby people. meaning that nothing is even THERE to resurrect. the zerg are nearly as bad ( if not, AS BAD ) as the burning legion because there are just TOO MANY.
the lich king himself is very pathetic too as i said. lei shen beats him. ragnaros beats him. even two dragon aspects could likely beat him too. the scourge is absolutely N0T a threat anymore even by azeroth standards. and as much of a WoW fan as i am, its a MASSIVE win for the zerg.
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