Then make a new account and play with highly volatile MMR. After a few hundred games on the new account you’ll be in the same boat youre in now.
So from that info it is the only possible way for me to achieve at least something in the game even though I have to kill my main account. Sadly. Is this intentionally what Blizzard wants from me?
I call the system broken if it works like this…
And that is why?
i don’t believe so as i said i think ranked is just bugged right now.
So we agree on it - ranked is bugged. Then I call it (and that was my intention) to be an issue the support should look into. Because I doubt this is what Blizzard wanted to achieve when releasing a new patch. Maybe put this in the Bug Report thread?!
Edit: To be fair… I am active in a competetive way of gaming since 19** - if it was a little game, that still needs to improve, no deal. I know a lot of ranking systems and studied computer science and think this is a bugged behaviour. I know about the great deals of MMR/PRA systems, but in the end it is about the experience of players and this just kills my experience. I don’t say I quit or I blame someone, I always said, I want to point out an issue and at least be enlightened by some detailed analysis. I will move this to the bug report forum and thank you all for putting effort in it. Will see how it turns out as I really started to enjoy this game recently playing with a fixed group getting wins and all, hope I can get back to it soon.
i say do it and post about it in there so you can get answers since they’re literally answering questions about bugs etc in there atm.
Not the only one…
and
Look, I’m a Computer Science major in my senior year. The lowest grade I’ve received at ASU is a B+ and as a result, I hold a GPA of 3.89. All I have left is 400 level tech electives and my Capstone. I know 13 programming languages competently well enough to use them at a professional level.
But none of what I just said actually matters because it doesn’t make me an expert in everything. I can explain what a turing machine is and why it’s impossible to design an IDE that can detect an infinite recursive loop, but by the same token I can’t explain how to design a neural network for creating deep fake videos. All my degree will give me is a foundation i can work from, it doesn’t inherently make me an expert in the subject matter. A degree isn’t a blanket “I’m an expert in everything.” I know a lot, but there’s a lot I don’t know that my degree won’t cover.
Anyway, the fact that you said you’ve studied “MMR/PRA” systems tells me you’re not well educated in the area. PRA is a system (or I should say was a system) unique to this game. It is simply a clamped delta of your rank and MMR. if your rank is higher than your MMR, you’ll get a negative adjustment. Conversely, if your rank is lower than your MMR, you’ll get a positive adjustment.
We don’t know how Blizzard’s MMR system works, they use their own proprietary system, but it does share the same basic components like confidence or uncertainty. It is a coefficient that adjusts how many points you gain or lose based on how many games you’ve played in the past.
You brought up something interesting, however, that your friends are gaining 130 MMR. This tells me all I need to know, the system isn’t broken. MMR adjusts with lower values than rank did, so getting less than 200 points in a match is normal.
Again, before, we had two separate systems. MMR and rank, and PRA was a clamped delta of the two values. Rank is gone, so now all we have is MMR, and MMR calculations aren’t as basic as rank, and since MMR uses confidence / uncertainty, it will appear to decay.
After a while, we’ll be able to run those numbers through a regression model and know how the values are calculated by reverse engineering the system. But for now, it sounds like it’s working as intended. You play more matches than your friends, so you will gain less points than them. A basic understanding of MMR systems would tell you why that is.
TL:DR, a CS degree doesn’t make you an expert in all fields related to computing and the new system uses ONLY MMR.
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I’m still pretty sure it is working as intended… just because you want MMR to be more simple than it is, doesn’t make it bugged. Your friends get different numbers because the system had a different confidence level for them. The system is pretty confident you belong where you do, so it won’t give you very volatile wins or losses. Expect each game up or down to move you 20-40 points. If you go on a win streak and start blowing out better players, you’ll move up.
HotsLogs did a great job of modeling this and you could see how it worked easily. At no point did people get 200 mmr for a win consistently. On a new account or in placement matches you would get a larger swing, and in an account with a few hundred ranked games played recently the system already has a high confidence level of where you belong and will lower your win “and” loss numbers accordingly so you don’t climb or fall too far from where you belong.
It is working as intended.
I see that the topic was moved by the OP. Im 99% sure this isn’t a bug and it’s intended behavior now that Storm League is determined by MMR only. All this will do is waste QA’s time having to read the thread.
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I went over my recent match history and I’m consistently gaining/losing 20-40 MMR per win or loss (very rarely 100+, mostly during early season while MMR confidence is low or we lose vs a team much lower average MMR than us) so I’m not convinced anything is bugged.
When your MMR gets established you only gain and lose a few dozen points every game for the rest of the season.
A friend of mine has the same issues. Last night we teamed up with four guys (Silver 2, Bronze 1, Bronze 2 and Bronze 5 after placements). We played 10 games and won 8. Now every game we all won or lost around 200 ranked points, except for the friend who placed Bronze 5. He consistently won or lost 23-26 ranked points.
This friend is not new to the game: he won around 150 ranked games last season and had a win rate around 47%.
My guess would be it has to do with the difference in level, but a difference of 170 ranked points each game between high bronze (average) and low bronze is too much for this to make sense. My other guess would be that everybody who is placed in Bronze 5 is ****ed and has a really hard time getting out, but the moment you do, you start getting more “normal” amounts of ranked point per game.
Can anybody give some transparency on how the new ranked system works when it comes to calculating ranked points?
I‘ve never said that and the fact and the way you argue just shows me that you don‘t open your mind to a possibility of rare behavior. All you say is that I (and other players) are wrong and the system (that is Blizzard) is absolutely true. I have never said I am an expert, I just wanted to point out, that I do understand the concepts of programming a system like MMR or else. Nothing more. So if u would stop bragging about the explanation about MMR and that is literally what you do all of the time and Start listening to the facts, it would help much more. Read first, then answer.
To conclude again, I played the same games as everybody else, not more or less or better or worse and still the system thinks I am different in adjustment of MMR. That is NOT a normal behavior, intended or not, it treats me different and punishes. I try to understand and tolerate a calculation based on this and that, but having never experienced this before. I always got a normal amount of MMR (Rank points), like 2 days ago and now it all changed for me. And only for me.
I‘ve never encountered anything like that in other competitive games and there are more people like me, stating that they now have an issue. Would this be appropriate to a normal experience, if you‘re spending a couple of years in the game?
Edit: I will try this today with another friend, who spent double the time in the game, has the same amount of, if not more, games played rank and has a lower winrate, finished Bronze 3 last season, has not ranked yet. If he gets way more points at the end of a match, I am convinced the game treats me different. Based on what again?
Edit 2: If this is all true, why then even have placement matches? Why have seasons? If u don’t have the chance to change anything at season start, this would make no sense and difference. And people are better off with new accounts if they have improved their gameplay since than shoveling their way out of hellgrounds, with hundreds of games, while you‘re buddies are all diamonds and u just made it to silver 2. But u played the same games from season start. Great system!
I literally quoted you saying it…
Look, this isn’t a bug, nor is this rare behavior. This is how MMR works. It’s going to be a slower climb from here on out.
If you want to jump massively in MMR per game, make a new account where your confidence isn’t established. Right now calling this a bug is going to do nothing but waste QA’s time.
Quoted saying I studied MMR System is just not what I said, I studied computer science in general. But yeah…that is a really worth way of discussion.
I didn‘t call it a bug either, I questioned it. And to request something when there is a support linked to a game is never a waste of QA, it is QA (!) and my full right as a customer/player of a product to use it. Otherwise a forum like this wouldn’t stand its purpose…
If this is a bug, and you are winning all your games, then problem solved.
I my self would have loved to end up in B5, just for the climbing experience.
Also you can dominate your way up, if your skill level is way above what your current rank is.
GL in the Nexus mate!
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Climbing? With 23-26 MMR points you‘ll need at least 44 games every rank to ‚dominate‘ - in a streak. To get to Bronze 4. In a streak!
If this is not a bug then it is a pure unfair system, that leaves you no way of improvement once you ended down there.
Let‘s say a player started the game, 100 games poor played. He is around Bronze 4/5. Then he improves. Much. He reads, follows twitch and guides and all that, learns a Hero perfectly, finds a group, rocks the Meta or whatever…and still can only climb in the way described above. What a fair system is that, like who came about with that glorious idea?
And I am fully convinced, that is NOT the way how other games I‘ve played with a seasonal rank system treat it. If this is all true, then it is highly in favor of people who ruled the game by its first minute and leaves no room for low-level improvement - and that means a new account is the only way out there, not spending his life on climbing like a snail.
Look, the quote speaks for itself. You literally said…
If you knew how MMR worked, you would know the amount of points you gained or earned would decay over time because of confidence / uncertainty.
And yes, you’re very much calling this a bug which is why you moved your thread to the bug report section. If you had the knowledge you claim you have, you would know why this is the case.
Yes, that’s how MMR works. It’s why the old system was so broken. Rank would move 8 times faster than MMR which is why placements would feel fair, but after a winstreak the system would offset me by putting potatoes on my team. Now you see why.
This system, however, is better in nearly every respect. It requires consistent good performance to climb and you don’t get disjointed matches due to Rank and MMR being so far out of sync.
If you want a faster climb, create a new account where your confidence isn’t set in stone. Your rank isn’t meant to be a reward system, it’s a reflection of your skill as a player. Play more matches consistently well and your MMR will follow.
God you‘re really difficult man. I didn’t say I know how MMR works, I said I know about the benefits of a system like that. And literally (as the words are clear as they are simple) I still did not say that…
Anyways, if it is like you say, then constant winning improves the amount of MMR I get compared to the MMR of my opponents. If their rank is above my skill level, but I can win against them, I would benefit and increase my earnings.
Next time: You could‘ve been working through this in a more gentle way but that’s your thing. I never called it a bug, I agreed with other participants of the thread that it could be a bugged behavior and chances might be better to solve this in the bug report section of this forum, that’s why I moved it. Sorry for attempting my way outta this.
I will close this later, as I am now enlightened by the Support (and that is what I did, ingame Support brought me here). Still want to make sure, that this is true, so I‘ll leave it open for investigational reasons.
You can’t lock threads, only the moderation staff has that power.
If you want to mistake my bluntness as hostility, ok. You claimed to have knowlege that you demonstrably did not have, so I sought to clarify the misunderstanding.
You did, repeatedly, even going so far as to move your thread from General Discussion to the Bug Report forum. If you don’t want people to quote you, don’t say it in the first place? 
If you want to claim a place of authority, such as having “studied computer science” (which is entirely irrelevant by the way) don’t be surprised when people challenge those claims. Especially when they’re erroneous or outlandish.
This isn’t bugged behaviour. MMR moves slower than rank, and in your case, 8 times slower. Just play some matches and if you’re better than your current rank, you’ll move up. Leaving the thread in this sub forum is just going to waste QA’s time.
For myself, dude, for myself. Pls don’t go about stuff u don’t understand.
I never claimed anything, I just said, I know about concepts of programming because I studied something that has to do with it. All I wanted to say is, that I am open and educated enough to understand a system and not be trolling because my mum did not feed me enough and now I‘m dissatisfied with my ranking. But thanks, will leave that part out and stick to never argue in the internet, a place highly rated for quality conversations, like I got to know in this case, again. Really bored by it…
Interestingly no one else made a big deal out of it, not even me. To remind you: It was you who wrote down a whole page about your background, that is again how important for this issue? If you like yourself writing a lot of words and adjusting people’s writing (even though you‘ll knew I am not a native english speaker) and then run them down for whatever they said or better, think or thought before… pls release this kindness from a place like this, because the will to help people sounds way different. Conclusion: never hit the support button of a blizzard game again, if u want to keep respect as a high treat.
Next time we argue in my language and I run u down. Tzzzz 