This is a lie.
This is obvious bait.
No, I’m not. If you murder somebody and I tell you murder is bad that does not make me an accomplice.
I posted that the thread was spam at this point and you dragged me tooth and nail into this argument. Stop twisting it
Well if I remember correctly, one of the devs said “What if we had a character with a chainsword and we built on that and fell in love with the character”. I’m sorry blizzard, but I expected better story telling from you. It’s basically a character built around the sword right? A bounty hunter that was a knight of a dead realm? Alright that’s a cool start but what about her motives, reason for being, why did this “mother shard” stick with her, relationship with literally anything else in the kingdom, how did she live a realm being destroyed, I could go on but you get the gist.
I don’t even think the fans woukd mind a writing prompt at this point. The character is and I quote “no better than a man in a mocap suit, a stick figure has about as much personality with her moveset”. In fact I challenge people to flesh out her character, see how many creative minds old blizzard inspired.
Nah.
If it is, you keep falling for it. I’m curious to know why you think it’s “bait”, though.
Yes, you are. That’s how forums work. Every single post you make is participation, whether you’re dissenting or agreeing.
Did you seriously just equate complaining about a lackluster Hero release with murder?
Why do you feel that posting that a thread is spam is more helpful than just flagging it?
Nobody is forcing you to post. You did this to yourself.
In their defense, this is how character design works in most other games and stories: you start with a single interesting detail and work from there.
Still though, it’s just… not good enough for Heroes of the Storm. You can’t compare “has a cool sword” with an entire game’s worth of characterization and development, or even multiple games’ worth. Qhira’s sword could be in the hands of any number of characters.
This is your post.
This is my reaction to your post.
This is your response.
What you’ve failed to realize in your biased take on Bor’s comic, is that this is a criticism of internet comment sections. Forums are directly related to internet comments.
The only one who has taken offense to this is you.
Well it’s so nice of you to insinuate my position on this. But guess what, I don’t care about Qhira.
By the way, Ad Hominem only works when the motive is not relevant to the argument.
This is why you do not understand Ad Hominem.
I can see you’re already posting, and likely going to focus on the definition of “Ad Hominem” without actually understanding what “Ad Hominem” is referencing.
Ad Hominem does not mean you cannot argue about people’s motives. The motives have to be relevant to the argument.
If two cosmologists are arguing about whether dark matter exists, “Well you don’t like it because your wife divorced you and she believes dark matter exists”.
Then the Ad Hominem applies.
But if you tell someone they shouldn’t voice their opinion, then motive is most certainly applicable. “Why does the person not want them to voice their opinion?”
Were you really telling HailFall to not voice their opinion out of Altruism? That’s extremely unlikely.
Neither is effective. Mods won’t even check the post unless multiple users flag it, and I think the automod has been working overtime anyways so your thread would need tons of flags to get deleted regardless of the actual spamminess.
No, I did not. you could have replaced murder with any crime and my example would still make sense. I never said making bad threads is as bad as murder. I just used an analogy for the situation.
Participation in a thread is different from contributing to the anti qhira circle jerk
Nah. I don’t know how much you follow Bors, but the subject of Mister Gotcha (and its sequels) is disingenuous arguments. Now, you’re not wrong that the majority of today’s disingenous arguments take place on forums and comment sections, but they also happen to take place in places like political debates and on news channels - which is what Bors was referencing, because he’s a Political Cartoonist.
If you say so. I’m just participating in the discussion whenever it gets new replies.
I never commented on your feelings about Qhira, I just pointed out that you (and they) were bumping the topic.
Why did you make a second post instead of just editing the original?
Considering their past behavior with posts they don’t agree with? Kind of, yeah. They seem particularly prone to public meltdowns and petty sniping, and typically they aren’t that great at expressing their views. I was hoping that I could prevent some of those this time around by pointing out how counter-productive their actions were, but the future refused to change.
Have you considered that, perhaps, that means it’s not actually spam?
Posting in a thread is participation, and bumping the thread is contribution.
You have as much right to make threads as Hailfall has to post in them, criticizing that fact, even to Hailfall’s chagrin, has as much a negative effect on everyone involved as it does Hailfall.
Now it’s probably true that Bors was referencing news networks, as this is a common thread used by every mainstream media outlet, especially Fox News, but CNN and MSNBC as well.
But if you focus on the essence of Hailfall’s argument, instead of the fact they made an argument, then you are better countering Hailfall’s behavior of the past.
If anyone is criticizing anyone’s right to post, it’s HailFall - and you even said so yourself:
As for me, I have not criticized anyone’s right to post. As I said before:
If you feel that I have criticized anyone’s right to post at any point in this discussion, please point it out to me so I can provide clarity.
There’s no argument presented, though - just the two statements of intent:
Or, if you’re referring to the implied argument that people should stop making threads like these, that wraps back around to “nobody has the right to criticize another poster for posting”.
The last four comments I’ve already commented on above, so I won’t reiterate them. The first however, I completely agree that Hailfall basically said you shouldn’t make posts like this, and they should be criticized for that. But I do think your response was a much more direct “don’t post in my thread” response.
It was not. All it was, and all it has ever been, was pointing out that HailFall was actively working against their own stated goals.
No
It is spam but the community is ~ outraged ~ enough that nobody will report it.
How about you let me worry about myself and don’t bother pretending to be on my side when you’ve been incredibly hostile to me from the first time we even met
That’s a very well-developed argument. Please explain your thought process behind it, I’m very eager to learn how posting in a thread is not participating in the thread, and bumping the thread is not contributing to the thread.
Do you happen to have any proof to back up that statement? Maybe a definition of spam, or an explanation on how this topic fits the criteria?
This may come as a surprise to you, but I’m actually not hostile towards you. You irritate me sometimes, but I genuinely do not like upsetting you - partially because I don’t like upsetting anyone and partially because I hate dealing with the fallout from you specifically.
Could I have been more polite to you? Yeah, but you opened with an insult - calling the topic a “whine thread” didn’t inspire me to put things as gently as I usually do.
You think that a bunch of people have it out for you, and that might even be true. However, I can guarantee you that I’m not one of them - I learned a long time ago that holding petty little grudges like that isn’t worth it. All I do is swing back, and it’s definitely not my fault that you keep swinging first.
No
Suit yourself.
“The big “pull” of Heroes of the Storm that set it apart from other MOBAs is that the featured characters have outside relevance.”
Did the company ever told that they would ONLY focus on characters from previous games? Or that heroes from Warcraft / Diablo / Starcraft / Overwatch are more important than Nexus heroes?
And if compare the numbers, there are DOZENS of heroes from previous games you can enjoy while there are 2 from nexus… 2.
You have every right to complain about whatever you want, but for me, this is such a stupid reason to be whining that it’s not even funny.
That’s been the implication in marketing since launch. It’s not much of a “fable” if it’s a story that sounds like it was made up on the spot compared to characters that have entire games’ worth of character development.
Not by Blizzard, but definitely by the players.
You’re acting like I’m upset that Qhira exists in the first place. I’m guessing you didn’t read the thread, so I’ll quote an important post you missed:
I think I’m going to get irony poisoning.
They never said “Play as Fabled Blizzard Heroes ONLY”, did they? And you CAN play as blizzard heroes. Like i said, there are dozens of those for you to play. They didn’t deleted everyone else to launch original heroes ffs.
“Not by Blizzard, but definitely by the players.”
Sorry, that doesn’t make any sense. It’s not the company’s problem if you guys think you are entitled to dictate what heroes they should release on their own game.
“You’re acting like I’m upset that Qhira exists in the first place. I’m guessing you didn’t read the thread, so I’ll quote an important post you missed:”
No, i’m telling that there are what? 84 heroes from previous games? Don’t you think that 84 to 2 is a very balanced number?
As for all those questions you have, why don’t wait for a while and see if Blizzard will expand the nexus universe and give her more backstory? She is a OC, she doesn’t have as much lore as the previous heroes.
“Qhira just comes out of nowhere and we’re supposed to empathize with her right off the bat, which isn’t how it works.”
Don’t worry, i’m sure Blizzard is going to put out the next hero with a book explaining every single detail, like who gave her the first kiss, how many breads she ate in her whole life, her favorite color and all that.