How is it I am a bronze 5 with 55% winrate

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Since leaving games doesn’t affect winrate, it’s possible for people to bottom out their mmr and have a high winrate. If a person only plays ‘1 or 2 games’ in a week and they disconnect once a month, than 12.5% - 25% of their games are incomplete matches; they wouldn’t play enough to offset the leaver penalty and their rank will plummet.

People are saying your anecdotes have incomplete or incongruent information. Considering how people have been trying to give you advise for years, the accusation that something ‘doesnt exist’ is more likely to be on your end. These are players that climbed out of bottom ranks and aren’t there anymore. You, on the other hand, come back time and again to report that your rank is lower than the last time your reported your storm league experiences.

While ‘trolls’ are something usually out of our own control, other aspects of the game are more-or-less things we can influence, but time and again you pretty much deny any experience or advise as being unable to work for you. Despite claiming to not care about certain things, you continue to do them, so either you mire yourself about in apathy, or you aren’t completely honest about particulars that, frankly, don’t really matter to anyone else but you.

However, the usual trend here is that people try to help others because they find the experience is better when people aren’t playing on the low rung. While people may have increasing amounts of vitriol in communicating with you for years on end, it seems the ‘religiously defend’ is something better suited to describe your resilience to learning and improving.

iirc, some posters even used to watch some of your replays to offer direct advise. Granted, the best strategies can’t overcome perpetual leaving or disconnects, but it’s a farcry that people keep trying different ways to assist you (outside of group/carry) and time and again you are the one that blows in back in their face.

Fundamentally, people that just look to blame any and everything else simply don’t improve; if you’re content with that, then people can’t help. Pretty sure I even had a ‘luck is a skill’ reply made at you regarding your concerns of bad luck, but at the end of the day, you are the only one that can change you, especially when it comes down to half-hearted communications that pretty much look like you’re going to argue with yourself if they go on long enough.

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None of this advice is going to change the math.

1-2 games per week that earn at most 30 points is not going to move my rank by any significant amount over the corse of a year let alone a season even at a 55% win rate.

Even if I played 100 games and received the higher end of the point award, that would mean I only gained 5 x 30 = 150 points. That is 850 points shy if ranking up to B4.

At the upper bound of 2 games per week that would require 50 weeks (roughly a year) to earn 150 points.

This isn’t rocket science. The math doesn’t lie.

It’s not worth the effort. More importantly it’s not fun.

That’s on top of the fact that I get higher quality games, higher quality teammates, and higher quality opponents with Quick Match in 2023.

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Several points:

  1. for something as simple as taking a screenshot to prove a point, I totally consider that, if you don’t have a “pix” as you say it, it never happened. Especially when it happens “once” in a couple of months. I am totally OK waiting for your next disconnect for you to take a screenshot with these negative rank points you see thanks to the game’s UI. But yeah, the formulation “once in a couple of months” is vague enough to mean whatever you want it to mean afterwards… And I do believe that if someone already had negative rank points in Bronze 5, it would have been known by now… It is even more horrible (or is it terrible?) than being in “Bronze hell”. Imagine, negative points in “Bronze hell”… That’s doubly hellish!
  2. As others have told you, you need to first get there. You need to loose as much as you need to win to go out of there… But sure sure, you are really unlucky.
  3. Lying by exaggeration is not a good way to argue, at least with me.
  4. That is interesting to notice that you never gave any of your stats formally in a way that people can see them and discuss with actual numbers they can trust. Nor did you never gave a replay by yourself. Interesting. Because all of this is now about you, right? You seeing the rank points in your game’s UI when you win or loose, right? My gutt guess is that you are quite concerned by your rank and epeen actually.

That being said, I would agree that there is a “problem” in Bronze 5 but not for the reasons you are involing. The “problem” is one of perception and not a problem of the system does not work. I would take the philosophy of Sid Meier here. Though I am not a game developper and am unsure of the effect of what I am proposing, I would have done something different for Bronze 5 specifically. Just let them have 75 rank points (if I remember correctly, it is what I got from Bronze 4 to Bronze 5). Normally this does not affect too much other rank leagues. It also help the players in Bronze 5 to have a feeling of hopefulness that may lack currently (that’s player retention for you).

Edit: your math is just wrong. I did the correct math for you in a previous post. Seems to be rocket science for you. Ah I love these people who argue with math but who are unable to do simple calculations…

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55 x 30 = 1650

45 x -30 = -1350

1650 - 1350 = 300 (I was off by 150 by that’s what I get for ballparking that math while on my phone)

100 games at 2 games per week is 50 weeks.

50 weeks to earn 300 points, 700 points short of B4.

No matter how you want to cut it, it’s not worth playing Storm League under those conditions.

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Never said such thing. I asked for a replay though, which would be easy enough, even right now right now (if you’re in front of your PC). You don’t need youtube. Couple of clicks on heroesprofile, drag replay, drop.

I did give you the link that shows how score/points in Wood league is distributed, and how many wins you’d need to get out of each bracket. If by any chance you were calling out the legitimacy of my data in that link page, I would laugh at your face. I took the time to make somethings clear, which is way more than I could say you did. You could take your time and debunk that data if you wish.

Not about software issue. The dc point loss, lack of point recuperation is something I need checking, but if you really do know how to play as Diamond/Plat/Gold, you wouldn’t drop to Wood league to begin with. This is not something farfetch to say. There is something missing in your skill arsenal if you indeed drop from higher rank to Bronze. No dc excuses (you recover back points from winning).

We’re talking about your experience. You have all the numbers to shove it up in our faces. Yet, you’re intentionally not revealing them at this point. More like, you’re hiding something here.

Already mentioned that above. “Unlucky” doesn’t cut it. You’re missing something, whether that is micro, macro, obtuse playstyle, refusing to adapt, I don’t know.

They exist. Just saying real Diamond/Plat/Gold player wouldn’t drop that low even with all those.

All your math is garbage. You would know why if you read my link. Numbers work differently in B5+Wood league. As others already said, numbers are compressed there. Why would you assume 1000 points bracket like the other?

Instead, you should use net win/loss as your metric. Around 12 wins required to advance each Wood league bracket. From B5, 5 wins required to advance to B4.

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Pix or it didn’t happen.

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Which pix? This has no context behind it, just used as a deflection, running away.

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It is 500 points lost when abandoning a game (intentional or not does not matter).
Fairly certain it doesn’t change in lower leagues.

Those points are regained over the next 10 matches in increments of 50 points, called “Penalty redemption”, wining or losing does not matter (based on own experiences with dropped games).

I don’t know if the “redemption” stack or simply override the previous ones and I’m unsure if the “redemption” will carry over into a new season.

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I see.

Do you happen to know if this penalty redemption is is Wood league or not? I assume it does, but I wouldn’t rule out the alternative (in which case I’d say, Blizz, what were you thinking!, IF).

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Yep, I have no doubt that there is a penalty for disconnection whatever the rank. I am more interested in knowing what they actually mean by Skill points. MMR or the rank points displayed in the game?

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That I do not know, as I typically hover around gold to low plat.
I don’t see why it wouldn’t exist.

I do see the problem with getting 50 points redemption, if you’re in a league were you gain or lose less then the normal 200 points. I would however think that the initial point penalty would offset that fairly decently.

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Since June 20, 2019 MMR and skill points/rank points are the same thing.

Your Rank (League Tier and Division) is now determined by your MMR directly and adjusted by penalties, such as Leaver Penalty. As a result, you will see a bit more volatility in your Rank Points changes after winning or losing a game.

Further explained in the update from August 2019

With the changes introduced this season, rank is always updated by taking the change in rating and determining the equivalent number of rank points to reward. This leaves very few ways rating and rank can diverge and results in most players being shown a number equivalent to their rating.

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Math “lies” because the people doing it are missing steps, data, or context.

As a key point of understanding you seem to be missing contezt in this topic and are being arguementative for the saking arguing a strawman.

Cool, you’re not enjoying stormleage? “Nobody” is forcing you to play it. The first response to you in this topic stated as such.

The context of the topic is addressing how it’s possible to be in B5 (or lower) and not that everyone who plays the game meet some imaginary obligation to climb to grandmaster.

It’s a wonder that you bother “once or twice” with stormleague because it isn’t worth it. That’s part of why the topic is more about how someone got there, and not the theological defense you exlaimed.

It’s similar to how you demand “evidence” by postes that linked to some: other posters have seen bronze climbs to do their math projections.

You are repeating back at them the fault you have of not meeting their request.

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In other words they never fixed the “inconsistencies“ and never will. The number of player accounts affected never made it high enough up in priority on the task list when the staff numbers when into skeleton crew mode.

Also just looking at that graph, it really fubars the binomial distribution. Gold should be the largest division, with bronze and masters representing no more than 10% each. No doubt this was done to drive higher engagement numbers by dangling a greater chance at hitting masters for more players… just keep grinding on that treadmill.

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The only inconsistency is in the numbers shown not being the same at either extreme end of the bell curve as the numbers shown anywhere else on the bell curve.
Functionally there are no inconsistencies and we don’t know if the curve shown is the actual bell curve at the time or just used as an example.

The reason for the decrease in points awarded in Bronze 5 is that the range of ratings that maps to Bronze 5 is much larger than other divisions. The difference is that this much larger range of ratings still maps to the same number of rank points. As a result, despite being rewarded the same change in matchmaking rating, the rank points awarded may be lower.

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Gold/Plat, in an ideal world, in excellent balance.

In reality? No. Not even in LoL. Silver, then Bronze is the highest. They added Emerald rank to smooth out the distribution recently or something. Result wouldn’t have had come out yet, don’t really care to be honest.

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You seem to be aware of the differences between the numbers even if they represents the same thing after these patches. The problem now is that applying a penalty of 500 penalty to the rating or to the rank points have different effect. Assuming that rating and rank points are the same for the other leagues, it does not matter if you apply 500 penalty points to the rating or to the rank points; But for Bronze 5, since there is a specific “deformation”, this is extremely different.

Edit this is for @MvMArcher
Edit2 I mean different effect in terms of display. At the end of the day, it is the same.

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Its clear that you guys will cobble whatever “facts” and interpretation you need to hold onto your fantasies.

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Indeed a 500 point penalty in bronze 5 would be an extreme plunge, but those points would be earned back at the same extreme rate as which the plunge happened.
Which is why I think at the end of the day it’s gonna even out fairly decently.

Or maybe the penalty in bronze 5 looks different, I have just never seen any evidence to suggest so.