If I had asked people (just in ARAM) to stop wasting the time to take stupid camps rather than pushing the advantage, or you know, wasting 30 seconds to take a camp that is cleared by the enemy in 5 seconds, my account would have been silenced by now.
For some reason, these kinds of mercenary camp obsessed people can’t be persuaded, no matter how kindly you phrase it. Ayeziza might be a little harsh, I agree, but I’ve rarely seen a player like that Hanzo become more cooperative if they are called out.
The real problem with this post is the hypocrisy of the OP, who leaves all their mirror match games, so they are part of the very problem they are complaining about here.
It’s fine, we all have bad games, but how long do you remember them for? I’m sure in two weeks you would have forgotten this match, if you hadn’t spent time immortalising it in a thread.
I wasn’t trying to be rude, but I do encourage you to use the Salt Mines to complain about your bad matches. It’s a “no accountability, judgement free” area of the forums, where we can all commiserate with each other, without the need for making a new thread about a specific bad match.
I hope you have better luck in your Hots games moving forward.
Short and sweet without taking a critical tone. Your delivery matters because then you sabotage the game by getting someone butthurt enough to stay afk the entire game. I’d rather they merc instead of being afk to be honest.
When you speak to someone, your tone matters. Regardless of whether you’re at a store, restaurant, at work, etc. It’s called social agility.
If you want people to be receptive to you, then you need to know how to communicate. Otherwise, your valid criticisms will fall on deaf ears and now you’ve sabotaged the game because you can’t keep your mouth shut.
LoL, I doubt it. If Sal hasn’t thus far, what makes you think you will? The rhetoric used would hardly bug most any sane person enough to actually go through with reporting. Clearly the Diablo wouldn’t, and there are a lot more silent Diablos, they just don’t say anything. And as annoying it is to see the frequency we encounter the Hanzos of the world, they aren’t enough of them to get you silenced, because thankfully there are more reasonable Diablos.
I just say, take your shot, if you think there is even a small chance of making a difference. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn’t. Try not to be super rude about it, but if you don’t want to, that’s fine too. I just think it’s naive to think that if we all just sing kumbaya or ignore a problem, it’s going to fundamentally change a game state that is already in a bad place.
That’s not the issue, the issue was the mercing. And core wasn’t open. And your meme said calling them out, which is a totally legitimate thing to do.
I think it’s too risky to pamper a troll as you are suggesting. I gave him some good advice and he snapped. He stopped playing so I stopped playing and we let it end. It was over with. Guy tried to friend me afterwards but I declined.
Now if you baby him he might play you and make you think he’s going to cooperate only to pull out last minute and lead you into a harder loss. Why risk it? I wanted out, I had better things to do than stand around with Nova and Diablo while the bulk of our team damage AFKs at mercs. He either had to shape up then or there or I was going to let the game end or maybe even alt+F4. He went mostly inactive so it made my decision easier.
In general, talking is safe in ARAM when you are stomping an enemy team or if you want to instill confidence in your team so they don’t give up i.e “we are late game heroes” to avoid AFKers too soon.
However, if you are calling out a person who is ruining the game/mercing, usually it’s only going to be that one person reporting you. I recommend calling out big mistakes like that Hanzo was doing b/c with our comp it was worse than having a bot teammate.
I was silenced before but it’s because I picked Murky in ARAM and entire team ganged up on me and we went back and forth with the typing. I was mostly trying to justify my pick. They concluded we couldnt win around level 5/wouldn’t give me a chance to play Murky so I probably said some stuff that was reportable.
The players in ARAM have no credentials and usually are not half as good as they claim to be. If someone tries to pick out something you did wrong just don’t respond. Many players are just looking for someone to blame to explain away their losses. I would never recommend admitting any sort of fault or taking any blame in HOTS ARAM.
Calling out a turd is just dumb. You KNOW he’s going to get butthurt and not listen. All you end up doing is sabotaging the game.
It’s just really dumb. That’s why I had the bit in my comments about social agility. You need to exercise common sense. It’s not your duty to have to “call someone out” all the time. Sometimes, keeping your mouth shut is a more strategic move than flapping your gums when you know that guy will just go full turd.
If you want to call someone out, use some finesse.
Ok, then use “group up” instead of whatever he used. It’s a neutral statement and, if he doesn’t listen to a neutral statement then he definitely won’t listen to a critical one.
I didn’t say you needed to pamper him. I just think you should use neutral statements or nothing at all.
That guy was definitely not going to listen and saying something just made him go full turd.
Of course, if you wanted to leave the game quicker, then you did the right thing because now he got butthurt and went afk which results in a quicker loss.
They are ALREADY sabotaging the game, pretending things are going to get better by pampering their fragilities does nothing either. LoL, I find it funny that you think these linguistic gymnastics are going to do something when the main issue is the Hanzo. You can call it social agility, the extreme version that you’re advocating for, especially the meme that you created, is just empty cheerleading naiveté.
I said exercise social agility. That means, know what to say, how to say it, and when. Obviously, if this hanzo is acting like a turd as it is, saying something is not going “change their gameplay”
I don’t see how you can play as long as you’ve played and still not recognize personality patterns that would make saying something detrimental to the outcome of the game.
Look, your meme was dumb, calling out people can change games. It’s naive and presumptive, and has this air of pretend nothing is happening will be better if you nice someone to death.
If you’re saying people can throw games, they were already throwing, cool. You’re a genius /clap
Your posts did initially come across like you supported Hanzo. I thought maybe you digged his antics. I think you can understand this was one guy you don’t want to be friends with. He’s the kind of guy who tells you he’s got your back while driving a dagger into it.
Regarding the professional stuff you mentioned, sure it’s good to take it seriously but I only play ARAM and have a low threshold for calling it quits when someone is being a jokester. The trolls have all the leverage on any game I’ve been on. They have very little to lose. The only defense is being able to let it go. I doubt I’ll ever see that kid again but if I do I’ll not bring this up and what happens happens.
I’m saying that you shouldn’t make matters worse. How is that so hard to understand?
Actually, it was hilarious. You may not find it funny because you’re in the meme.
Well, I consistently refer to him as a “turd”. I don’t approve of his antics at all. I think his performance was childish.
All I’m saying is don’t make matters worse if your goal is to win. If your goal is to lose as fast as possible so you can get in the next game, then keep doing what you’re doing.
What are they gonna do threaten me with a loss that was already happening? Oh noes! That’ll show me to use social agility!
All I can do is equip them with the knowledge to potentially turn the game around. Yes, it’s better if you can present that in a more digestible manner, but your “approach” is honestly silly.
What they do with that information is up to them. If they want to self implode, that’s certainly fine. People will report them, and they’ll be one step closer to being gone if they keep doing it. Obviously, people can play worse, but it certainly does involve a fair bit of calling people out. In fact, that’s entirely the point lol.
So this hanzo in this clip, you think he’ll change his gameplay by you saying something?
So then what do you hope to accomplish?
You just need to vent?
Out of all the games you’ve ever played, do people like this actually listen? Realistically, they end up reacting just like the clip.
So in the end, what is the purpose of flapping your gums?
The feeling is mutual. I don’t see what you’re trying to accomplish. Perhaps, you’re too dim witted to recognize personality patterns that won’t be receptive to “call outs”. If that’s the case, I’m not really surprised.
This is why it’s hilarious, you somehow think someone who is causing you to lose, that they can somehow lose harder.
Yes, I’ve seen it happen many times. Does it happen all the time? Of course not. But I’ve seen super arrogant people scream I’m wrong. And then they try it, and suddenly we start winning.
And sometimes they don’t. Oh well, no sweat off my back. You seem to be under some illusion that if you either ignore the problem or massage some magical half way point between awful, you can salvage an already awful game. Can it happen? Maybe, I won’t rule it out, but that would more likely be a case of the enemy royally screwing up, then us actually doing what needs to be done to win.
I agree with you, calling someone out can change games for the better or the worse. It’s not just how you phrase something, but it also depends on the psychology of the one being called out.
Many times I’ve seen a player who was subtlety trolling, and upon being asked to “group up” they went ballistic. This kind of player is just waiting for any excuse to justify their bad behaviour.
Of course, I’ve seen the opposite reaction too. Some players are just best left alone, and knowing when or if they are open to a suggestion is somewhat a guessing game.
Remember, there was a time I thought you had a problem with me, but as I discovered, you’re just a very forthright person. The thing is, we had time to clear up that misunderstanding, in a match, you don’t have that luxury.
TLDR: Sometimes it’s best to simply not to “poke the bear.”
If a troll is on your team and you have a 20% chance to win and then by you opening your mouth drops the odds of winning to 5% then it’s just plain dumb to me.
Yeah, ok, dude.
So this Hanzo, do you think he’d change his gameplay if you said something?
Look at the video again. Hanzo has 13 kills, 0 deaths, top siege, top hero damage, and top xp. He has the potential to play well and is. He’s just immature and trolling. You think telling an immature troll something in chat is going to change anything? I think not. Also keep in mind, this is not the whole replay. Its just a clip. We don’t know about the exchanges beforehand so I can’t tell you if something ticked Hanzo off or if he’s just being like that because that’s who he is. Only the full replay will tell the story.
From what I can see from the clip, Hanzo is not playing badly at all, just being a turd, as Ayeziza stated. I personally wouldn’t tell him anything after seeing something like that. I’d just ping the core and hope everyone follows. Core was open and its 5v3 after the Stitches died (which Hanzo helped with I think). Instead of using words that could potentially make things worse, a simple “core” or couple pings at the core would have been better than saying what he said.
Just because you can say something doesn’t mean you should, and I think this is one of those situations where biting your tongue would have been a good choice. If you’re going to be the person to speak up in these types of situations, your choice of words matter.
