Nope… No second account here…
I’ve noticed after I drop 20 bucks on 15 packs just to craft upgrades for a deck the I get sweet draws back to back for a bit. Then I end up in your situation.
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Is this also going to be the result of the patent?
But why? If they are manipulating the card draws as your reply suggests they could be, why are they also manipulating MM as you believe they already are?
I clearly don’t believe the game is rigged as people suggest. That doesn’t mean I haven’t seen suspicious things or that I think Blizzard is a good and moral company. They clearly aren’t. The game may very well be rigged and it wouldn’t surprise me to find out one day.
I simply look at the specific claims people make and see if it makes sense. Here we have a claim of manipulated draws, the only reason for which can IMO be deciding a winner. Is blizzard capable of this? I don’t see why not. But it doesn’t make any sense to me that they deliberately pick every draw/RNG outcome AND also fix MM to give bad matchups. What’s the point of forcing bad matchups if the RNG in the game is just going to be rigged anyway?
If you spending alot of money and then winning alot with your new shiny cards, you probably will spend more on new packs when you keep winning.
Is like someone at the casinos, most of the people keep playing when they won, even when they know they should better stop.
Its like rigged card games irl where they let you win alot until its all or nothing.
As someone dont care what the MM does it looks for you like this:
I spend money on a new deck = i win with it alot
At some point you get bored and you need a new deck therefore more packs.
If you would buy a ton of packs and still loose at the game you would never spend a penny again on new packs. Because you would think “hell i paid 50 bucks and still cant climb, i guess i made a bad investment”
The more you spend the better your matchups and overall gaming experience. Granted by the MM engine, the microtransaction engine and the game / analytics engine.
Is this motivation enough for you ?
Winning sucks you into the game and if you are willed to spend on the game in first hand, the algorythm makes sure it stays that way, with giving you favourable matchups to keep you happy.
Like you said “Is blizzard capable of this? I don’t see why not”
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I don’t see how this has anything to do with my post. You didn’t answer what I asked you.
You then quoted the part that mentions manipulated draws (the subject of this thread). Even though the rest of my post details how I feel Manipulated draws and Manipulated MM doesn’t make sense, you then mention
So I’ll ask you another question. Do you think they are rigging both the MM and the in-game RNG at the same time? If so, why? Matchups mean absolutely nothing if the RNG of every game is rigged.
And just to answer the only question you asked me, yes. Motivation isn’t an issue for me though. It’s a company, of course they want to make money. Are you drawing the line at just “Granted by the MM engine, the microtransaction engine and the game / analytics engine.”? Disconnects are clearly on the table. Queue times? Arena card/hero choices? Higher quality packs? Being favored by the forum moderators (I know Boba mentions this a lot, probably all connected)?
If the MM and card draw is rigged in first place they has never been a true rng element that needs to be rigged, if you can follow my thought.
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If you think of, what the purpose of each engine is and how they could archive certain results when combined as one, you can come up with it yourself, no need to explain.
I forgot that i ever wrote that and switched accounts. So my fault forget about that.
Yea, I see now it was from 4 days ago, sorry about that.
I’m suggesting that MM being rigged isn’t the same as card draw being rigged. If the algorithm is capable of manipulating the draw of both players in order to accurately guide the course of the game towards a predetermined winner, then there is no point in the algorithm also manipulating what class my opponent is. Rogue, Paladin, Shaman…what does it matter when my opponent can always have perfect draws regardless of class?
To be clear I’m not arguing that the game isn’t rigged right now. I’m arguing that one group of people claiming the game is rigged are wrong. Either the ‘MM is rigged’ or the ‘In-game RNG is rigged’ group. The latter probably belongs to the 1st group as well, but my point is that if you believe the In-game RNG is rigged there is no reason to also believe the MM is rigged. Hope that makes sense.
Absolutly, the only reason i am upset with this whole rigging taking place (in my believe), is that its advertised as everyone has equal fun when its not based on a fair and random MM when its not.
I Want to know the odds beforehand and not after i invested a ton of my time just to find out its rigged to the gills.
That kinda feels like have taken your choice away. Still love the game, still love to fight the odds. Peace out.
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I believe you are just getting murphitized. I am not sure if anyone else uses that word but i always think of murphy’s law and think well I got murphitized again, dang murphy leave me alone today go bug someone else. …Murphet his wife is the worst though. murphy is kind of like Loke , messes with you but you can find the humor in it. Murphet is just plain evil when she gets involved.
This is hs in a nutshell, it’s rigged with bad draw system Arp
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Maybe rng is based to really money invested on hearthstone? …. No i’m sorry rng is “random”, no manipulation inside coding or by blizzy 
The “why” has been answered here and elsewhere. As for mmr manipulation, they already admitted to two sets of it, so I’m not sure why this is even a question.
How do you square the first sentence with the rest of that paragraph?
I would really encourage you to give the patent a full read through, hen follow up with the outlets that delved into it when the story broke.
If you’re going to feed wins to someone, it only makes sense they actually…win.
It’s like ensuring casino whales have a good time at the resort, and their experience everywhere keeps them coming back.
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First off, thinking the game is rigged to increase profits is not the same as thinking, for example, Theotar/Mutanous will always take my most important card. A lot (not all) of people make very specific claims. Claims that can be disproved with minimal effort because what they said can’t be replicated. So while it wouldn’t surprise me to find out the game is rigged, the patent couldn’t cover every single “the game is rigged” post. Even if the game IS rigged, there is almost no chance that every single person who has claimed so would be correct.
Second, when I encounter RNG results that seem questionable, I don’t have a good reason to jump straight to “the game is rigged because that’s the only way that could happen”. Extreme results should and will happen. I don’t see these extreme results often enough to go past confirmation bias, poor programming or possible game bug.
I agree, which is why giving someone a good matchup is completely pointless if they are controlling all the RNG. If the game is feeding me wins and is manipulating all the draws and RNG results to ensure I actually…win, what possible affect could my opponents class have on the result? Granted, there are some matchups that are basically unwinnable, but unless the algorithm wants to step out for a smoke, there is no need to be manipulating both the matchmaking AND the in-game RNG.
This is my point for the next part.
The why isn’t about motivation. Profits is reasonable enough if they are certain they can get away with it. I’m specifically asking why would they manipulate the matchmaking while also manipulating the in-game RNG.
But op and those agreeing with him aren’t’ talking about outliers.
Seeing a double or triple rainbow is a rare and unique experience. A bit like a four leaf clover.
However…if you start seeing unicorns jumping through quintuple rainbows carrying buckets of four leaf clovers on a regular basis, either God, the universe, or mr mxyzptlk is playing a joke on you. Because something very unusual is going on…or if you’re seeing something like this in a game with supposedly random/rng based outcomes, the dice are loaded.
Like…a patent is really obviously in play.
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the only post on the forum in the top 50 or 60 that made any sense. imma start back posting on here once a week. but yea i totally agree, i actually came here to make a similar post.
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You are lucky its still here, similar threads they made them dissapear.
Eventually to close to the truth, who knows.
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You came here to complaint about everyone you face having the perfect draw?
If that’s the case, it sounds like you need to work on crafting more efficient decks.
There will be games where it seems like that because its randomly generated but if it’s consistent with you, it’s your own fault for not adapting.
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I sit on the forums 24/7 comment every post, i have no life and therefore i so much better then you.
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